With All the Information out, Do you believe Trump should be President again?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Lucky1knows, Oct 14, 2022.

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What do you think will happen if Trump becomes President again?

  1. It would be disastrous to our nation

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  2. It would be great for our nation

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  3. It would neither be great or disastrous

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  1. independentthinker

    independentthinker Well-Known Member

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    We're talking about 2024. Why do you want to suppress the votes of those who would vote for Trump? Why do you want to take democracy away?
     
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    And that's the bottom line. :applause:
     
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    Trixare4kids Well-Known Member

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    I would vote for Trump again, though TBH, he isn't on my list of top candidates.
    If he were to become the candidate, I would vote for him over any Democrat though. Until the power hungry TDS obsessed Democratic Party finds their center again, that's my reasoning.

    I don't put any faith in the OP-opinion piece, as so-called expert opinion. I could find one where experts would advise us not to vote for Biden again too.
     
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  4. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Please direct quote me where I said he “said it”. I said he repeated it.

    So you don’t even care that he repeated that on a public forum — I would love to see your reaction if Biden repeated the only good Republican fascist is a dead one?

    Ironic award of the day

    how pathetic
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Have a reading problem? You know what I said. And I realize you didn't want to see that particular comparison, for obvious reasons. That's why I posted it.
    Makes it clear why so many people DO want trump back, doesn't it? Reads like a menu with steak on one side, and cow dung on the other.

    Trump can't fulfill the job now- due to the left's vendetta and trashing. So no, I don't want to put Trump the man back in office. Now do I want the Trump message to prevail? Yes. I want a strong candidate with the same message and objectives. Trump without Donald, the same agenda that strikes fear in the haters and the unscrupulous, and renews the faith of the free and the brave.....and can turn us around, restore our honor.
    What is it about honor that offends you?
     
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    Because it leaves me at a loss, to see you still arguing w/ the writer of the OP, on page 4, about your confusion as to his meaning, which you'd raised in one of the thread's first couple of posts, I feel tempted-- like Elon Musk-- to play peacekeeper/referee.

    The basic question of the thread is straightforwardly given: with what you now know about Trump-- which I'm sure is meant to allude to all that has just be revealed about Trump's role in January 6th, & in attempting to, himself, steal this past election, through a profuseness of newly shown video, both of interviews with those serving all around Trump, in high positions, interacting directly with him, as well as video footage of phone calls being made by officials, during the actual 1/6 riot (though I realize many are unaware of all this, as they simply pay no attention to any of the goings on of the Committee, dismissing this important investigation as a partisan witch-hunt, or such)-- might you still, if Trump is on the ballot, in 2024, vote for him for President? If so, what would be your rationale? That is, would you enthusiastically vote for Trump, because of your expectations, from another Trump term in office? Or would you not have high hopes, of the job Trump might do, but you would still vote for him, because he would be better than the other guy (or gal)?
     
  7. yangforward

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    Ok, I'll rephrase it in an equally fair fashion:

    now that you know Joe Biden would be happy to risk the existence of the US in a pointless nuclear war, would you still vote for him?
     
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    What did he do that was so 'unforgiveable'? And I dont mean what hes been accused of or what other people did in their own emotional response to him, but what did he himself actually do?

    The worst things imo were allowing his advisors to push shutdowns and warp speed and printing mountains of 'covid releif'. But so would have Biden or Hillary, and probably to an even greater extent. Biden is still breaking records printing money...
     
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    We shall have to disagree on the 1st part but indeed as too the second no one in team Biden should ever again be allowed with fourteen miles of the levers of power.
     
  10. Lucky1knows

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    So you are saying that he cleaned house and did what he promised, right?

    Well, then please explain this list to me.

    1. He said coronavirus would “go away without a vaccine.” You bought it. But it didn’t.
    2. He said he won’t have time to play golf if elected president. But he made more than 250 visits to his golf clubs since he took office
    3. He said he would repeal the Affordable Care Act, and replace it with something “beautiful.” It didn’t happen.
    4. He said he’d cut your taxes, and that the super-rich like him would pay more. He did the opposite.
    5. He said corporations would use their tax cuts to invest in American workers. They didn’t.
    6. He said he would boost economic growth by 4 percent a year. Nope.
    7. He said he wouldn’t “cut Social Security like every other Republican and I’m not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid.” His last budget included billions in cuts to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.
    8. He promised to be “the voice” of American workers. He wasn’t. His administration has stripped workers of their rights, repealed overtime protections, rolled back workplace safety rules, and turned a blind eye to employers who steal their workers’ wages.
    9. He promised that the average American family would see a $4,000 pay raise because of his tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations. But nothing trickled down.
    10. He promised that anyone who wants a test for COVID will get one. But countless Americans still couldn't get a test.
    11. He said hydroxychloroquine protects against coronavirus. No way.
    12. He promised to eliminate the federal deficit. He increased the federal deficit by more than 60 percent.
    13. He said he would hire “only the best people.” He fired a record number of his own Cabinet and White House picks
    14. He promised to bring down the price of prescription drugs and said drug companies are “getting away with murder.” They still are.
    15. He promised to revive the struggling coal industry and bring back lost coal mining jobs. The coal industry has continued to lose jobs as clean energy becomes cheaper.
    16. He promised to help American workers during the pandemic. But 80 percent of the tax benefits in the coronavirus stimulus package went to millionaires and billionaires.
    17. He said he’d drain the swamp. Instead, he’s brought into his administration more billionaires.
    18. He promised to protect Americans with pre-existing conditions. His Justice Department tried to repeal the entire Affordable Care Act, including protections for people with pre-existing conditions.
    19. He said Mexico would pay for his border wall. They didn't.
    20. He promised to bring peace to the Middle East. Instead, tensions increased and his so-called “peace plan” was dead on arrival.
    21. He promised to lock up Hillary Clinton for using a private email server. He didn’t.
    22. He promised to use his business experience to whip the federal government into shape. He didn't.
    23. He promised to end DACA. The Supreme Court ruled that his plan to deport 700,000 young immigrants was unconstitutional, and DACA still stands.
    24. He promised “six weeks of paid maternity leave to any mother with a newborn child whose employer does not provide the benefit.” He didn't delivered.
    25. He promised to bring an end to Kim Jong Un’s nuclear program. Kim expanded North Korea’s nuclear program.
    26. He said he would distance himself from his businesses while in office. He continued to make money from his properties and maintain his grip on his real estate empire.
    27. He said he’d force companies to keep jobs in America, and that there would be consequences for companies that shipped jobs abroad. Since he took office, companies like GE, Carrier, Ford, and Harley Davidson continued to outsource thousands of jobs while still receiving massive tax breaks. And offshoring by federal contractors has increased.
    28. He promised to end the opioid crisis. Americans are now more likely to die from an opioid overdose than a car accident.
    29. He said he’d release his tax returns. He didn’t release his tax returns.
    30. He promised to tear up the Iran nuclear deal and renegotiate a better deal. Negotiations went nowhere.
    31. He promised to enact term limits for all members of Congress. He did not even tried to enact term limits.
    32. He promised that China would pay for tariffs on imported goods. His trade war cost U.S. consumers $34 billion a year, eliminated 300,000 American jobs, and cost American taxpayers $22 billion in subsidies for farmers hurt by the tariffs.
    33. He promised to “push colleges to cut the skyrocketing cost of tuition.” Instead, he made it easier for for-profit colleges to defraud students, and tuition is still rising.
    34. He promised to protect American steel jobs. The steel industry continues to lose jobs.
    35. He promised tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations would spur economic growth and pay for themselves. His tax cuts added $2 trillion to the federal deficit.
    36. After pulling out of the Paris climate accord, he said he’d negotiate a better deal on the environment. He didn't attempt to negotiate any deal.
    37. He promised that the many women who accused him of sexual misconduct “will be sued after the election is over.” He hasn’t sued them,
    38. He promised to bring back all troops from Afghanistan. He didn't.
    39. He pledged to put America first. Instead, he’s deferred to dictators and authoritarians at America’s expense, and ostracized our allies
    40. He promised to be the voice of the common people. He made his rich friends richer, increased the political power of big corporations and the wealthy, and harmed working Americans.

    You want this man back?
     
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    2024 has not happened yet, and it's republicans that want to really suppress the vote, look at what they are doing in many States
     
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    President Biden is doing no such thing. We will not back down before Putler's nuclear threats and bullying, however. Neither will our allies, as you can see from their responses.
     
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    I understand now. You were not clear the first time.
     
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    SO your answer means that in the future, any opinions you give should be immediately ignored. It is the votes that count. Opinions are worthless, right? It is what it is and there is no talking or opining about it!
     
  15. FatBack

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    @cd8ed

    What are you clearly implying that Trump directly said here?

    Nowhere in your post did you say that he repeated it.

    Don't you get tired of always being in disagreement with facts and reality? Or are you just hoping that people won't follow the conversation and will buy your story?

    Depending on their gullibility are you? You should give people more credit.
     
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    I am not in disagreement with you. It is just that the OP was not about comparisons. It was exclusively about the man and whatever opinion people have of him after 4 years of him being president. That is it and until now, you had not answered that simple question. If your first post would have stated what you stated here "So, no, I don't want to put Trump the man back in office", you would have fulfilled the question of the OP and saved us all from your preaching about things the OP did not ask.
     
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    He proved without a shadow of a doubt that he is a man with no morals, no ethics, no principles, and no humanity. Such a person is capable of anything to get what HE wants. Nothing whatsoever will stop him. It makes anyone not on his side and agreeing with him into an enemy that can suffer the worst consequences even if not earned.

    That is what is so "unforgivable".
     
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    I am hoping that people have the most basic level of reading comprehension to understand what the word “repeating” means.

    Would you like me to define what the word “repeating” means for you?
     
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    What I would like for you to do is show me where you actually said that in the initial post where you made the claim that I quoted you.

    But you cannot do that. Now you may have moved the goal post in a subsequent post that you made but I'm not digging through four pages to find it.

    What I just quoted you saying is what you clearly said in the first post where you made the claim.

    So quit trying to spin your way out of it.
     
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    That is nothing but a boatload of your opinion. The person asked you for specific examples not your emotional opinion
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Let me know if you need additional visual guides
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    so Trump would let Putin use nukes with no problem?
     
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    Nope. I didn't say or imply any such thing.
     
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    Lol. It time stamps your edit...... AFTER the fact.... AND, we can quote Space Bidet Brandon speaking of using the military against US citizens
     
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    I can explain this list to you.
    The author of the above hit list is Robert Reich, an unhinged far leftist.
     
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