With All the Information out, Do you believe Trump should be President again?

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How incredibly sad but it is so on point for you to claim a conspiracy against you. Like I said in my original post, there is zero reason to source anything to people like you because no matter what truth is you will display like you have here.

 

My mistake I missed a word.

Maybe you should have been more clear instead of saying that no one could quote Biden saying that. No one can quote Trump ever saying that either but we can quote Biden talking about using the military against US citizens.

 

Don't pretend to be honest and objective after putting up that ridiculous Washington Post article.

 

LOL I stopped at #1, there is no corona virus vaccine and low and behold its gone away!!

 

The timing of this thread make it clear to those who even shallowly follow the news, that the OP is in response to yesterday's final televised presentation, by the Committee investigating January 6th, and all its interconnections with accusations of voter fraud, the sending of fake electors to Washington, the pressure for State Secretaries to "find," thousands of votes, and so forth. I take it, you have seen neither the actual hearing, nor much if any of the video evidence presented, on your favored sources for news(?)

I understand, if you had previously watched a bit of one of the earlier hearings, and not been impressed. That's why it seems a shame, that they'd not been able to do something like this sooner (despite that I doubt, even had this somehow been accomplished, it would have much moved the needle of opinion, of those loyal to Trump). I cannot do justice to the glut of evidence, though, that finally has been presented, in a streamlined fashion. So, if you are, indeed, interested in narratives which challenge your current suppositions, I will offer you the video, of the full proceedings. If you are still asking, "What did he (Trump) do that was so 'unforgiveable'?" I think it is well worth your time to check out, some of this.

Don't freak out, at the full time of the video, for that includes hours of other material. The way this video display works, is:
amount of time remaining/total time.
I am used to the first number being a count from the video's start, but here, it counts down, instead, not up.
The actual hearing is in two sessions, with the first beginning more than an hour and a half in, at about the 2:50 remaining mark, and running about an hour and 20 mins, to 1:30 or so, from the end.
There's then a 15 minute break, followed by a final session of about 40 minutes. There's just over a half-hour left in the video, when it shifts to analysis of the foregoing hearing.
Have fun!




You are probably much more savvy than I, about these things, but I'll mention, just in case, if you are watching on your phone, and you tap the lower right of the video's display box, there is a square symbol that you can click, to give you a bigger, panoramic display. I realize this probably sounds, to most, like one adult explaining to another, how to tie your shoe laces, but I only recently discovered, how this works.

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So how does that negate the rest?

 

Such an obvious mistake at the first item of the list discredits the entire list.

If I gave you a list of problems with the theory of evolution and the first item was "animals don't die", with such a gross error would you bother reading any more of the list? Same thing here.

 

If every politician were investigated to the same scrutiny as Trump he would shine like gold

 

Of course I would, one mistake does not invalidate the whole list.

 

Trump should never have been President. Biden never should have. "W." never should have. Clinton never should have. Reagan never should have. The richest and most powerful country that has ever existed should have had much better leadership than has been offered up by the parties that control it and by those who control the parties. It is incredible that America has remained the marvelous country that it is despite these handicaps. It is saddening to contemplate how much greater it could have been, and still could be.

 

I could prolly count on one hand the number of current officeholders that I view as 'fit for office'. Jan6 didnt change that, and I doubt another one would either. Seems to me it was a provacateured event, planned and ordered by, likely, not anyone that was actually there or even nearby at the time, as it was clearly intended to be a bloodbath to justify martial law. That will continue to be my view at least until ALL of the video footage from that day is released to the public. And I only 'blame' the violence on the people who actually engaged in violence. That also would not change in the scenario you describe. I dont care how manipulative or inciting any politician or leader is, individuals are responsible for their own actions. Unless their families were all being held hostage or they were all victims of some MK Ultra mind control program that literally scrambled their brains and erased their free will, no one forced them to attack the police and break in. Not Trump or Biden or Pelosi or Ray Epps.

 

My favorite part was how the government didn't do a whole lot but bicker over Trump. Theres a bunch of stuff I'd hoped Trump would do that he didnt get done. But I never expected he would be able to do much. The govt does way more bad than good, so in my book, it being distracted by the shiny object of Trumps tweets is a refreshing reprieve from the slow but steady left-right stomping march toward tyrannical technocratic authoritarian corporate collectivism ...or the total collapse thats likely to be triggered if that fails.

 

So he didn't do anything specfic that you're willing to cite, you just dont like him. Thats fair. But why does everyone else also have to not like him with you?

 

You had to ask, didn't you? Well be ready to get the full load. I hope you enjoy the show and have the time for it all. After the show, why don't you tell me what you find to like in the man. Give me a list of all the moral, ethical, principled and humane things he did.

Most everything he did was bad.

You can start with my post to hotdog on page 4. There you will find a list of 40 things he did

Adding to that:

1) he brought hate and disunity to the U.S.
2) he cost the people of the U.S. billions of dollars with his tax war with China
3) he lied over 40,000 times
4) he debased people that simply disagreed with him (like John McCain)
5) he supported bad people (like the Proud Boys, the Oath Keepers, Jeffrey Einsten, etc.)
6) he was accused 26 times of sexually molesting women
7) he ignored the Constitution and did what he wanted
he was not faithful to the oath of office he took
9) he was totally incompetent but never acknowledged his mistakes (blamed others)
10) he took advantage of everyone he came in contact with

I could go on and on but it is just too big of a list to handle.

Here are a few visual aids for you:

 

Prove it!

 

Of course you stopped at #1. You do not seek truth and you are not a debater. You are plying your bias and anything that does not conform with it, you ignore.

Congratulations

You just made the grade.

 

I just supplied this OP with 50 specific examples. Check them out.

 

1) Based on nothing, but "how it seems" to you.
2) You actually came very close, with that underlined part, except in not being able to add 1 + 1, to come up with Trump, who is the only one who could, or might have a reason to want to, declare martial law. Therefore, the part you had just felt, about the event orchestrator, not being "even nearby at the time," was way off. But I guess you accept those big misses, when your limit your reference data, to how you feel about something.

Oh, that's what you're waiting for, huh? But as soon ALL of it is released, you'll spend hundreds of hours, reviewing it all-- is that the story you're pushing? But how can you ever know, that it's all been released?

And so, by the same principle, I guess you are still waiting for those missing 18 minutes of Nixon's tapes to surface, before starting your investigation of the Watergate break in?

So, despite your placing the person who wanted to declare martial law, for no particular reason, far away from the action, it wouldn't matter to you, if it had been Trump's plan? And what about his other strategies, for circumventing the will of the electorate? You know, trying to confiscate voting machines, twisting arms of people to fudge results, or to just declare their elections void, and to give their electors to him, etc., etc., etc., or do you not "feel" any of that stuff? Still, better than actually watching interviews of all those around the President, saying that, yeah, we told him this was illegal, but he just kept doing it-- since that might give you the wrong idea, about what really happened, right?

 

It is so funny that you feel the need to go the the left extreme in an attempt to make a point.

You do know that nations like Sweden, Norway, Denmark, New Zealand and about 10 others have what is called Democratic Socialism where the best of Capitalism and the best of Socialism is put together so it works to the benefit of the entrepreneurs and of the people, don't you?

What we have here in the U.S. now is the extreme right trying to get power by throwing fear that the extreme left is going to get power. Nonetheless, the extreme left has no power. Bernie Sanders is the perfect example of that. He has run twice for the nomination and has not been able to get sufficient votes to get the nomination..............within his own party. Even then, Sanders is to the left quite a bit but not so far left that he can be called a communistic socialist.

If even the left of the left cannot win within their own party, what worries you so much?

 

If you believe in Democracy, the poll results of this OP so far are 17 saying Trump would be a disaster if he comes back, 6 say it would be great and 6 saying it would be "no big deal either way"

The Disaster view is leading comfortably.

 

I've been as expert witness more than once, and I recognize questions that are setting up the next conclusion they want to make. I once refused to answer a direct question in testimony and the lawyer asking it requested the judge to direct me to answer. I told the judge that I had sworn to tell the whole truth, and answering in the limits of the counselors question would prevent that and would contribute to the illusion the counselor was constructing... And I was allowed to give the qualified answer. It's a game. Not an honorable one, but one used all the time.

So tell us, have you quit beating your wife? We don't need details, just yes or no......

 

So, which one on the list do you consider a mistake?

 

So what.

 

Framing it in this manner only shows your bias. People vote for those they believe will have a positive impact on their lives, not a negative one. Any negatives you see others might not, but in the way you frame it you've set up an opportunity to merely attack the opinions of others that don't agree with yours without the benefit of understanding that your viewpoint isn't necessarily the right one. Absent that there's no opportunity to a meeting of the minds. It's just divisive which is what the Democratic leadership seem to be latched on. Division.

 

I seriously doubt it. No other politician that I know of actually tried to overthrow an election and have himself installed as an unelected President, so that immediately sets him apart. Then there's his fraudulent "university," charity, and business organization. I'm not really sure how you could investigate anything about Trump without finding something insanely corrupt.