Woman who fatally stabbed man 108 times gets probation, no prison time

I think the chain of responsibility goes back further than what's being done here.
If you excuse killing because you were on a drug... Why were you on a drug?

The risk of behavioral and perceptional changes goes along with the decision to use drugs, drink alcohol, losing your temper and many other things, and it belongs to the person doing it. The fact you attacked someone in that state is due to the fact you put yourself in that state or allowed it.

We hold companies responsible for damages caused by things the weren't aware of, often with the term "should have known". Often for things perceived, but never actually proven, but costing those accused millions of dollars. This is like the claim "I didn't know the gun was loaded."

The first responsibility when a competent person pick up a gun is to be sure there are no shells in the chamber or magazine. Even if the person who hands it to you says it's not loaded, even if you watched them check it- you check it for yourself. Because when it is in your control- it's your responsibility. The second responsibility is to never allow the weapon to point in any direction it could do harm if you were wrong in checking for ammunition.

Drunk, drugged or stupid, you are responsible for what you do. The person harmed has suffered the same damage regardless of the excuse.

 

Wow .. our courts have descended into mind bending stupidity .. they have managed to couple reefer madness with fallacious utilitarianism into an anathema and abomination to Justice.

 

Do we excuse a drunk driver from her actions because she was drunk ? Be it hitting someone with a vehicle or stabbing someone 20 times in a "Drunken Rage" = a drug induced psychologically altered state ... that almost everyone here has experienced at one time or another.

and exactly .. what about the victim .. who has suffered the same harm .. recompense for this harm the basis of retributive Justice which we throw out the window on the basis of some kind of warped fallacious utilitarianism.

Sorry for the technical terms but would take long to explain.

 

Anyone who has witnessed a spoon fight knows that far broader regulation will be needed.

 

fake news (but feel free to give us a link)

 

Anyone can look it up, but its always easier to ask someone else to provide the links. Only pot was found in his system and the bath salt theory was only speculation.

The psycho-toxins which occur naturally in pot triggered a psychoses as was the case in with the California stabber.

Miami cannibal attack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_cannibal_attack
While police sources speculated that the use of a street drug like "bath salts" might have been a factor, experts expressed doubt, since toxicology reports were only able to identify small amounts of marijuana in Eugene's system

 

"Cannabis is involved in approximately 50% of psychosis, schizophrenia, and schizophreniform psychosis cases."

they may self prescribe, but Cannabis is not causing it

 

even your own link doesn't say that

"Although the autopsy revealed no human flesh in Eugene's stomach, a number of undigested pills were discovered that have not been identified.[19] Although police sources had speculated that the street drug "bath salts" might have been involved, preliminary toxicology reports were positive only for the presence of cannabis.[5][20] Authorities did not necessarily find the negative results conclusive; Broward County Sheriff Al Lamberti expressed a belief that some new drug not yet tested for played a role, while nationally noted toxicologist Barry Logan said Eugene's behavior was consistent with "bath salts" and that toxicologists "are not testing for everything that may be out there". The director of toxicology at the University of Florida, Dr. Bruce Goldberger, said, "We are not incompetent... We have the tools, we have the sophistication and know-how. But the field is evolving so rapidly it is hard for us to keep track. It's almost as if it is a race we can never win".[21]"

the issue with bath salts was they kept tweaking the formula, so no real test, but this was bath salts, not marijuana

 

It triggers it an turns people into murderous cannibals and stabbers. She even stabbed herself and the dog.

Like I said, they can legalize it, but they have to be honest about the risks.

Yes, it says they found only mari-chu-huana.

 

nope

she stabbed herself the next morning when police arrived (acid could last that long, a bad trip?)

the pot may have been laced with something... but was not the pot

drunk people can do this kinda stuff, people that smoke pot, never seen it happen, ever

 

Too light IMO. What if she was drunk and ran over a child?

 

There is a down side to the construct known a "diminished capacity". Sometimes guilty people go free for the sake of those who don't deserve draconian punishment for actions committed while they were unable to form intent.

So you don't like a CA outcome ?

Would you prefer Bubba getting off in Tejas for murder because he's the cousin of the sheriff ?

 

I don't see it as denial.
I'll put it this way, IF pot smoking causes what you are saying, then there would be crazy people all over the place. Roughly 52% of Americans answered yes to the question: do you smoke at least 2 joints of pot per year? And that number is probably low as some who do probably answered no, but with approximately 275 million adults in America, and it causes those conditions, we would be overrun with crazy people, not to mention my purely personal experience of seeing thousands of people with said afflictions.
My common sense and logic says if there is a connection it would be that pot possibly bring out those afflictions in those who already had those afflictions, which most are probably undiagnosed.
I'm not saying there is no connection, just that I have serious doubts that it is the cause.

 

Clearly it does not cause it in all the users, and nor did anyone claim it does. Studies show it happens to about 1 in 200, which is actually a lot if over 200 million Americans have used pot. Pot can unleash these episodes in people who didn't know they had an issue, and without pot, they would never have known. Unfortunately in many cases the damage it permanent.

Rates and correlates of cannabis-associated psychotic symptoms in over 230,000 people who use cannabis
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41...ng,pre-existing mental health vulnerabilities.
Cannabis, a widely used psychoactive substance, can trigger acute cannabis-associated psychotic symptoms (CAPS) in people who use cannabis (PWUC)

Taken together, acute self-limiting psychotic symptoms in the context of cannabis use may occur in about 1 in 200 PWUC’s lifetime. Some individuals could be particularly sensitive to the adverse psychological effects of cannabis, such as young individuals or those with pre-existing mental health vulnerabilities. In light of the movements towards legalization of recreational cannabis, more research should focus on the potential harms related to cannabis use, to educate PWUC and the public about risks related to its use.

 

This affluenza, paired with the ***** pass.

I cannot for the life of me fathom anyone who would take the cannabis induced psychosis defense seriously. If she'd never imbibed before maybe, but since she was a user it wouldn't just "happen" like that.

 

They're lumping basically panic attacks and people being an ******* when inebriated into that though. That's not psychosis, that's a panic attack or someone using being intoxicated as an excuse to abuse others.

The sort of person who goes psychotic from a psychoactive drug, does it with more than just weed and isn't normally 'releaseable' afterwards. You have people with latent psychosis, or schizophrenia or the like, and yes, taking a potent psychoactive can bring it out. That doesn't mean they're a-ok to rejoin society after they sober up. It doesn't work like that.

 

That was spice, which is definitely not marijuana.

 

First, thank you for your research, and what you posted is interesting information.
Highlighted in red: using the word "may" is interesting, but if they are insinuating that 1 in 200 people who ingest THC trigger psychotic symptoms, I don't quite agree with it, unless they are including mild paranoia. There's no way to count, but I have seen possibly 10,000 people or more partying. Alcohol has by far a worse affect on humans, it's not even close.
THC can be harmful to humans. It can also have positive effects. Those individuals who have negative psychotic symptoms with THC should avoid it, just like someone who has peanut allergies.
HOWEVER, in my opinion, no one should get away with murder without consequences more severe than she got for murdering someone (probation?). THC was not the 'cause' or her actions, she was, and probation was not an acceptable consequence for her actions, whether she smoked two bongs hits or drank two beers or whatever. She wasn't forced to smoke it, it was her decision. Maybe she didn't realize she had issues, but I'll be willing to bet that a study of her history would show that she has had issues in the past.
I agree that the risks should be studied and finding published for a more informed public, and that people should be a lot more careful about what they put in their body.

 

CAPS=Cannabis-Associated Psychotic Symptoms

It was pot, and it was pot in the stabbing incident too

 

Anxiety attack and being a mean drunk/person who is intoxicated aren't symptoms of psychosis.
Having a psychotic break you don't come back from your first time, is.
It was not her first time. This was an affluenza tactic bought by a pack of idiots baffled by the ***** pass.

It was spice in the florida face eating instances, and being a person who wanted to murder their boyfriend in the OP.

 

Correct. Anxiety attack is an anxiety attack and psychosis is psychosis, and we are not talking about being drunk.

No spice. Pot.

 

no one is still stoned the next morning

now if laced with acid, I could see it, not just pot

 

We're not talking about psychosis in most of those cases either. We're talking about a panic attack when you smoke weed, which is a panic attack, and we're talking people who are *******s when intoxicated on any substance because they take it as an excuse to abuse.

Yes spice, in the florida face eating case.

 

I think we all know it wouldn't be.

 

We don't like a completely unjust outcome regardless of location. It's just not at all surprising when a bullshit outcome like this one happens in california. I hope you can see this because it's crystal clear.

This was garbage and everyone knows it....your fictional scenario changes nothing.