Would things have been better or worse if Hilary had won?

Ironically I think Hilary would have been under just as much scrutiny as Trump, Uranium One and the Emails would plague her as Mueller is plaguing Trump. I think the economy would probably be the same, the wall wouldn't be an issue and her foreign policy would be a lot more timid. Overall I think things would be slightly worse.

 

Nothing could be worse under the BLOTUS than it already is!

Hillary, for all her shortcomings would have been a competent president and would have done a credible job for the ESTABLISHMENT. There might have some small token movement towards trying to remediate some of the issues plaguing We the People but it would have been Business-as-Usual for the powers that be.

Yes, that would have been a SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT over the BLOTUS's squalid corrupt debacle of a regime.

There is ONLY one thing that can be perceived as a positive from the BLOTUS infesting the Oval office and it is the antithesis of everything he and his supporters stand for. The BLOTUS caused the Progressive Movement to get up off their butts and DO SOMETHING to CHANGE the downward trajectory that this nation has been heading on ever since St Reagan slashed the top tax rates for the wealthy and introduced the Republican fiscal malfeasance of BORROW & SPEND that has resulted in our current $22 trillion National Debt.

The BLOTUS is such an ABYSMAL occupant of the Whitehouse that he has caused a seismic shift in the Electorate. So yes, I am giving him partial credit for being the driving factor for our nation to REJECT the greed and avarice of the Republicans and Libertarians and move back towards a SANE and REASONABLE government OF the People and FOR the People instead.

 

You Americans back then, in all your stupidity after the primaries, have left only the choice between plague and cholera.

Certainly Hillary would not have moved like Trump as an American idiot in the world ... at least not like Trump.
Certainly, Hillary would not have made old friends and allies unfounded enemies and also dubbed them a threat to national security.
Nor would she have started the idiotic trade war with China.
Likewise, she would not have been the worst fake news distributor in the world like Donald Trump, who not only lies to his Americans, but also to the world without end ...


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Surely she would have fabricated a bunch of other bullshit, which in the end is just as bad as what the current idiot in the White House did and is doing!

 

If Hillary won they would be trying to make America a sanctuary country today where anyone and everyone from anywhere can come and go unchecked and unregulated at will and take advantage of health care and welfare paid for by Americans.

 

Had Hillary won I wonder where the "weaponized" FBI and Dept. of justice would have turned their attention to next? Very, very scary. We will find out more about where they were headed as indictments begin to develop.

 

You just had an election where 60% of Americans didn't want Hillary as their next president, 60% didn't want Trump, 25% wanted neither one which included 54% of all independents.

https://news.gallup.com/opinion/pol...mericans-dislike-presidential-candidates.aspx

So whomever won would have entered the presidency unwanted and disliked by a majority of Americans. I agree, there would have been just as many investigations into Hillary as there has been on Trump. Hillary would also have had those very low approval numbers the same as Trump has had. Neither was liked nor wanted except by their avid supporters. Independents gave Trump a 57% unfavorable rating on election day, they gave Hillary a 70% unfavorable enabling Trump to win the independent vote and the White House. Questions 10 and 11.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/l37rosbwjp/econTabReport_lv.pdf

2016 was an election in which one didn't vote for whom you wanted to win, but voted for the candidate one least wanted to lose. The lesser of two evils so to speak. Where Hillary might have had a bit of easier sailing would be with the media, there's no doubt in my mind they would have gone easier on Hillary than they are Trump. But most Americans who didn't want her would still be against her just like they are against Trump.

Hillary would be just as embattled. The same impeachment talks would be going on. Perhaps the only difference, the Republicans would have increased their majorities in congress in 2018 and in the state legislatures and governors as the people instead of voting against Trump would have voted against Hillary.

2016 was like our two major parties dug deep to find the two most disliked and unwanted candidates to offer America. What in the world were they thinking? Or have both parties been taken over by their hard core ideologues, their hard left and right wings they don't give a dang about America as a whole anymore?

 

Is it the great economy, historic low minority unemployment, 500% increase in black businesses, justice reform, pardoning black prisoners, or increased manufacturing that's got you triggered?

 

I'm guessing that under Hillary we wouldn't have had Guliani on Fox directly contradicting the Potus regarding payments made to a porn star. I'm guessing that we wouldn't have gone through how many Sec of States, Heads of FBI, Attorney Generals, Omarosas, Press Secretaries, Mooches, Cabinet Members, etc. and we wouldn't have had a known double agent for a National Security Adviser.

We wouldn't have had a month long shutdown under Hillary for another thing and American diplomacy might still be worth a damn unlike under Trump where we've pulled out of one international agreement after another. The only piece of legislation that the current administration has passed through congress was to give themselves a tax break with a few token crumbs to the mainstream.

And ^ it's a talking point to site low minority unemployment when 1) 2017 was the lowest jobs gains in 7 years and 2) Trump doesn't deny that he has, in the past, avoided renting to minorities and obviously doesn't give a damn about them. Wages are stagnant against inflation, the DOW has gone nowhere in a year, the debt continues to climb, and I grew up in Trumbull County Ohio whose economic backbone was the GM plant in Lordstown that has recently announced closure to take advantage of Trump's tax incentive for them to leave the country.

Also^^ Seriously with the Uranium? Still? Geezus it's a shame you're allowed to vote. I bet you also think that there really is a crisis at the border, that we really are building a wall, that it really would make any difference if we did, and that Mexico really is paying for it...

I didn't like Hillary and voted against her in each of the primaries, but at least she's a grown up where Trump is a national embarrassment.

 

Puerile ad hom VIOLATION of PF Rules your one and only response left?

 

Ad Hom? Just would like to know why the hysteria over such good things.

 

Yet another puerile ad hom VIOLATION on your part just PROVED my point!

FTR your odious BLOTUS is not responsible for any of those things!

 

So why are you so upset over great things? Oh wait, 'you didn't build that'. LOL

 

He's not upset over great things. He's calling attention to you not having a point... because you don't have a point.

 

You are disingenuously IGNORING your odious BLOTUS's miserable FAILURES while PRETENDING that he has accomplished things that he had nothing whatsoever to do with.

 

Ah, so the great things happening are now not Trumps but Obamas. LOL. Obama blamed all bad things on the previous administration so now you think all good things are now his also. The twisted liberal logic behind that is hilarious.

 

You have yet to point these failures out. I have pointed out all the WINNING, you are complaining about.

 

You've pointed out that he's watching TV while 9 year economic trends have simply continued.

A troll doll would've had the same "success".

 

Not to mention better hair!

 

Translation: Trump hate will now allow some to admit to the WINNING.

 

I'm laughing at your suggestion that great things are happening in the first place.

 

Thank you for conceding that you never bothered to actually read the post of mine that you quoted!

 

Of course, that is the blinders created by extreme Trump hate. Facts don't care about your feelings.

 

Biased hysteria is really not my thing.

 

---or that Bonsepurs J. Bumblebutt had anything to do with 9 year economic trends.

 

Feelings has nothing to do with it. Your list of 'great things' is nonsensical, so I laughed. Did you think your list was factual? Oh... that's adorable...