Would you be willing to accept low income and homeless housing on your neighborhood?

1) Not only does it cost the Govt more than most people make, it actually harms those it claims to help (by enabling), and creates MORE homelessness. It's as sinister as hell.

2) I agree. Giving money to addicts and those who aren't responsible for themselves, should be against the law. Give them healthy meals, but never EVER give them money - or anything which can be traded for money. Act like children - be treated like children.

3) I'm sorry for you, re the PTSD. Let's just say I'm familiar with that world (professionally, not personally).

4) Absolutely. In my country, qualified veterans on full pensions do rather well. And those they leave behind are taken care of to the same level.

5) Yep, reservations with a zero tolerance policy. Take it or leave it - but if they leave it they're on their own. No one could complain, because what's offered is way more than the vast majority of us will ever have the privilege of being offered.

 

1) Bullsh!t. The working stiffs who pay for all this have to commute the hard way, and live in places without good transport links. Where do you folk get off with this outrageous sense of entitlement? Do you ever actually think any of this stuff through? Let them earn their way to good transport links like the rest of us. Man this BS p!sses me off.

2) "Difficult times" is a universe away from personal irresponsibility. NEVER confuse the two.

3) Agree, gardens are crucial.

4) Your glasses aren't just rose coloured .. they're opaque. People do not magically become responsible, decent, civilised citizens because you gave them a tomato plant.

 

It's not about where you start. It's about where you take what you have. No one would ever have escaped horrendous starts, were it all down to luck of birth.

Such fatalistic nonsense .. almost like a caste system. Very medieval.

 

Not all the Left .. some of us are still collectivists at heart (ie work-to-eat).

This is a function of the privileged set which infiltrated the Left late last century. Welfare Statists, intent on building their vast underclass.

 

I guess that would depend on one's definition of 'mental illness'. There are a number of them that incapacitates the individual from being able to even perform basic daily functions on a regular basis. While there are meds to help with some, some are beyond meds. Bipolar, schitzophrenia, delusions, anxiety disorders, borderline personality disorders. Even with meds, there is no guarantee.

 

No, absolutely not!

I feel conflicted because I'm probably going to end up in one of those cheap, dangerous apartments myself after my dad dies, who has been supporting me through his business. I have a mental illness. Schizo-affective disorder.

I remember several years ago now, that my Mom took me out driving on the back roads to show me how to avoid the heavy traffic on the main roads. We passed a lot of trailer parks, apartment blocks, and tiny houses which had been hidden on the back roads out of sight. My heart sank because I finally realized why downtown was a bit shabby, and why there was a dangerous crime rate, and where all those ragamuffin people wandering the sidewalks of town had come from.

 

I do have an answer for this.....
stop penalizing people for working... and free people to be more and more and more productive through UNCONDITIONAL..... income supplements....... (which is very, very different from what we have been doing until now, especially here in Canada).



COVID 19 and introduction of an unconditional income supplement

The Conservative Case for a Guaranteed Basic Income
Creating a wage floor is an effective way to fight poverty—and it would reduce government spending and intrusion.

By Noah J. Gordon

 

They don't escape from poverty or the troubles that could take lives for an even worse turn by living in a drug infested, criminal infested community. Section 8 apartment complexes are unsafe and destroy neighborhoods and home values. That isn't "judging" that is fact.

So instead of coddling this system we should find solutions.

 

Who's coddling anything? I'm arguing that this snobbish judgment of the poor and those with drug problems, etc. is part of the problem, not a solution. If you want a solution, start by examining what these attitudes have accomplished so far. Consider how it is that people end up in this situation in our society and economy. It's not merely a matter of personal choice.

 

1) There is no judgement, there is only cause/effect. When you make bad choices, you end up poor. There's no getting around the reality. You call it a judgement because you want to exempt a certain class of people from that cause/effect. Only you know why.

2) The solution is to address the root cause, not the just the symptoms. You only ignore root cause when you're not serious about a cure. And root cause is the Welfare State.

3) We know how. They make terrible life choices. No one is forced to take drugs, or have kids they can't afford, or get divorced, or live in cities they can't afford, or spend all their money on fast food & beer, etc etc.

 

yes, there is, the war on drugs has had a terrible effect

people are afraid to get family members help for fear of getting them in legal trouble

the drug war funds gangs

"Ten Years After Decriminalization, Drug Abuse Down by Half in Portugal"

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkai...lization-drug-abuse-down-by-half-in-portugal/

there is a cause and effect for sure

prohibition doesn't work, it just creates crime lords and makes recreational activities criminal

 

These ****ers want all the boons of a civilised society, but refuse to contribute to the civility they demand.

 

Only to people involved in drugs.

 

Prohibition create crime, which affects all of society

same happened during alcohol prohibition

 

Don't do drugs.

 

I don't, or alcohol, but the reality is, many do without issue

remember, the abuse is there legal or not, just one makes criminals of those that did not abuse

a free country should be free, treat it like alcohol

 

You're only going to have a problem with the laws if you break them. Don't break the laws.

 

No, the root is not any "welfare state."

 

same with the vaccine, only gonna have a problem if you don't get it

Texas says the same about abortions

the question is, do we believe in freedom or not

my body, my choice.... or big daddy governments choice

the reality is, bad laws can affect us all, even if not directly

 

agree, that is why there must be rules, they must be enforced and there has to be camera's as poorer people are often afraid to snitch

if it's a government building, privacy can be limited outside the apartments

government housing can work, but it has to be policed in some way to keep out the rift raft

otherwise the children grow up with a type of PTSD that can affect them for life and on the cycle goes

 

oh I agree, I grew up poor, so I know the type of people your referring too

but they have to try, if there is no affordable housing, then what happens, bad outcomes too

if it has not gone down, they waited too late to address the problem, it will take time and lots of arrests to get it under control, unless the area has too many poor with no hope of ever escaping it, citizens also need to have hope and secure jobs

as for the apartment you mention, as long as the landlord is making his money, he won't care, people have to move out, but sounds like not many options for them

i think it has to be government housing too, run by the government, or I agree, the landlord would be tied up in legal red tape - landlords can not afford that or want to deal with that (and plenty of housing, not in just one area)

some places I will agree, are beyond hope and those places, I would just move as sometimes, even if you have lived somewhere your whole life, it just is not worth it, and best to move