Would you be willing to accept low income and homeless housing on your neighborhood?

yep, if crime has taken over the place so bad that it's no longer safe, i would just move

and I agree, I voted no, but I am for government housing, just not slum housing and not next to the middle class folks

the rent of a government apartment would have to be high enough that people have to work to live there, and not with a dozen roommates

there is a type of thinking that if you put triplexes in middle class neighborhoods it will help the poor integrate, nope, it will make the middle class move

 

The owners of the rat-hole I mentioned in my previous post put up cameras inside and out 5 months into our stay there.... they all were STOLEN that very night and never replaced. There are some people who are just beyond helping.....is what it is.

 

No, the answer is to not have children out of wedlock. And I fully support and encourage adoption and believe we should do more to facilitate it.

And I will not go down your abortion rabbit hole here in this thread we have plenty of other such discussions.

 

I support not forcing people to have children they don't want

but we can leave it there

 

Nope and apparently while liberals proclaim that this is a good idea, it's only a good idea in somebody else's neighbourhood!

lol

hypocrites.

 

Send em to California.

Other than that, I could care less what happens to them. You are not destroying my neighbourhood by sticking crack addicts into it.

 

So what about THIS issue and what I posted?

 

Around here, the common city/provincial gov type of affordable housing they build are triplex containing 6x 5½ apt units. To qualify for those you've to be bellow a certain revenue and are a familly. The government can also pay part of your rent if you are under the poverty level or near it, like somebody unable to work but not old enough to get his full pension from the government. This was the case of my brother between the age of 60 and 65.

Old people and people living alone can also get a tax credit if they qualify for it and lower wages people and senior also get a partial refund on sale taxes when they produce their declaration.

 

I responded to your post, did not see any other issue in there

 

Of course it is. The Welfare State manipulated culture to the point that we're all now individualists - each for themselves. We've lost the collectivism that saw the lowest of us survive the hard times. The collectivism which keeps people alive in the poorest societies.

 

They demand the civility of being FUNDED. To even reach a point where we're so 'civilised' that we'll pay lazy people and addicts to self-indulge, means a lot of people behaving themselves over a long period of time. They demand the fruits of that effort, but refuse to contribute to it even in the most basic way (decent behaviour).

Of course - 90+% of homelessness is entirely voluntary. They're just the most spoiled of the spoiled brats we've enabled. They've essentially reverted to childhood to avoid having to do anything they don't want to do. You cannot help the homeless by providing for them, and it's a cruelty to try.

 

The way around that is to making it free. As in nil rent. Give people the option of moving into zero tolerance housing in a location allocated to them (they don't get to choose), or go it alone. Civil 'libertarians' won't have grounds for complaint because what's being offered is far more than they get now. Anyone who tried to fight it would look like a complete idiot, and more than likely would themselves end up accused of discrimination against the poor, in trying to block free housing. At best, they'll be accused of wanting to foster addiction and dissolution, in being contemptuous of the rules.

 

The psych behind it is fairly clear, once you work through the possible motivations.

At heart, they don't want anyone disrupting the status quo - and initiatives such as those under discussion, and social judgement of poor life choices, are things which have potential for real impact. It's nothing to do with them caring about the delicate feelings of those 'disregarded' by the civilised folk. After all, they care so little for these folk that they'll happily keep enabling them to poverty, dissolution, and early deaths.

And of course the status quo they want to retain is the continuous expansion of the underclasse. Nothing else serves as well - either in a personal pursuit of free lunch if that's your goal, or in a climb to the top.

 

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So don't rape any fertile women.

 

One of the funniest things I've seen in this regard, is a group of friends who are very Facebook Activist/Chardonnary Socialist about 'the poor', but who also sneer like you would not believe at rough suburbs and their inhabitants (keeping in mind that in my country the poorest live in the suburbs, not the cities). It's quite incredible, this complete lack of self-awareness. They speak about those areas and people as though they're straight from hell, in an entirely scathing and vitriolic way.

 

Friend of mine on this board says that the homeless should all be sent to Bakersfield.

 

huh? where did that come from?

 

You said something about FORCING women to be pregnant. That can only mean rape.

 

forcing women to give birth can only mean anti-choicers

 

People suffer from the worst disease known to man kind-not in my backyard. It's a horrible debilitating disease that makes people think about the worst in people but doesn't actually consider them. The simple fact of the matter is it's better all around to build low income housing in upper class neighborhoods. We have to convince people to let poor people into neighborhoods. I wish I knew a better way to handle this issue.

 

agree, though I would prefer to just end the war on drugs, used to see lots of moonshine, but once alcohol was legal, that issue went away

prohibition funds gangs and drug dealers

 

A monestary setup away from town would be ideal. It would be easier to keep drugs out and they could have land for crops to supplement food stamps and daily buss rides to and from town to give them access to civilization and work.