Would you be willing to accept low income and homeless housing on your neighborhood?

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Would you be willing to accept low income and homeless housing on your neighborhood?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

    19 vote(s)
    67.9%
  1. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    True but I don't think that would change much. It would stop thousands of folks from being locked up for drugs yes but it wouldn't help those addicted to drugs nor make them productive members of society. I've seen first hand the devastation of hard narcotics and it's horrifying. I was one of the millions of minorities who had to deal with a parent addicted to crack cocaine and spent part of my childhood growing up around thousands of crack addicts who I could only describe as walking zombies who drank 10 energy drinks. Making it legal to do that isn't going to fix these people nor make them any less reliant on government assistance at the taxpayers expense.

    Hardcore drugs I don't know about legalizing. I'm pretty libertarian with a lot of things like that and you'll always hear me touting personal responsibility and mind your own business. But after seeing with my own eyes what stuff like crack does to human beings and families I'm not sure legalizing it would be in the best interest of society as a whole. VERY FEW people who want to do drugs choose not to do drugs because they are illegal but there are a few straight arrows out there who are deterred by the law. Legalizing it I feel would simply give a green light to those people and add even more zombies to the mix that the rest of society has to support.

    I am however 100% in favor of funding way more rehab facilities and making them involuntary and decriminalizing drug users but not drug dealers. Meaning if you are caught with hard drugs then instead of jail or prison you are committed to a rehab facility whether you like it or not and are forced to get clean. That is your "jail". And if you are caught dealing drugs and contributing to the problem then you go to real prison and the sentences are harsh.
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    How many homeless people or people living in poverty do you believe would be willing to relocate to a monastery with it's strict rules of order and discipline? Most homeless people are addicts of some sort who refuse to even go to a homeless shelter that has way less rules than a monastery....

    The big problem is the drugs. Non drug addicts really have a hard time grasping just how much control drugs have over a person because it's almost impossible to describe without actually experiencing it yourself. You could tell a homeless heroin addict living in a tent that he can live in a million dollar mansion free of charge but no drugs are allowed and 9 times out of 10 he would say no he'd rather live in his tent where he can shoot up. And I'm not joking.
     
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    You can't give birth unless you're pregnant, and you can't be 'forced' to be pregnant (unless you're raped).
     
  4. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    not so sure, prohibition of alcohol was bad too, the reality is, the abuse exists legal or not, just prohibition makes criminals of those that do not abuse

    I have known people that handled drugs fine, including myself during my teen years, others that have not

    same is true with alcohol, some can't handle it, many can


    "5 Years After: Portugal's Drug Decriminalization Policy Shows Positive Results" April 7, 2009

    ]http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=portugal-drug-decriminalization

    "Ten Years After Decriminalization, Drug Abuse Down by Half in Portugal"

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkai...lization-drug-abuse-down-by-half-in-portugal/


    drug and alcohol addicts are a problem, with or without prohibition....
     
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    yes, we should not force rape victims to have their rapists babies, agreed, they should be allowed to have abortions
     
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    We don't DO anything. We just start removing their privileges - exactly as we do with naughty children. If we won't be resonsible for our fellows, then we can expect this stuff to encroach upon our doorsteps.

    Which in turn addresses cost. It's not cheaper to just keep throwing money and resources at them - because it produces ever more of the same behaviour. The cost of failing to take responsibility is therefore ultimately immense. AND it ensures the affected individuals (both current and future) have no hope of taking control of their lives. It's a ****ing terrible approach, to be frank. Seriously cruel.
     
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    They would if their goal was to expand the underclass by chosing 'solutions' which create more of the same.
     
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    They won't grow food unless it's mandatory in exchange for housing. Giving them a field and a shovel will see exactly nothing happen. These are people who can't even motivate themselves to stand upright during daylight hours - they're not suddenly going to turn Amish because they have access to a plot of dirt.
     
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    That's the problem with so many bleeding hearts who think the homeless are simply decent folk, down on their luck through no fault of their own. It's either profound naivety, or it's a deliberate preference for an easy target - and thus cheap and easy virtue points.
     
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    I personally wouldn’t want the crime that typically comes with low income housing.
     
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    So you agree that no one is forced to be pregnant unless raped. Good, you're making progress!

    Now, let's return to the topic of public housing.
     
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    yep, and rape victims should be allowed to get abortions

    Good, we're making progress!

    Now, let's return to the topic of public housing.
     
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  13. Nightmare515

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    Again, what do you do with them then? OK so we take away their privileges, no more government aid, no more SNAP, welfare, they are chased off of any property, etc. Then what? Again they aren't going to just vanish into thin air. These are drug addicts by and large and they are also people who need to eat. They aren't going to starve and they sure as hell aren't going to NOT get the money to get their drug fix. What will happen when they have no food or money for their addiction? They'll start attempting to take it from you whether that be your business or your house or you walking down the street.

    I don't know if you've ever encountered a dope fiend in real life but I have on plenty of occasions. They will do ANYTHING, and I mean ANYTHING, to get the money to get their next fix. And if that means getting it through "you" then so be it. Yes in a perfect world the 2nd Amendment would be cut and dry as well as self defense laws but we all know good and well that is not the case in much of America. These folks aren't going to just sit in their tents and involuntarily detox because they ran out of resources I promise you that.
     
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    I really do think for many of the bleeding hearts it's a matter of ignorance of not understanding this situation. The majority of folks never had to actually deal with these people in real life, they get their information from internet forums and documentaries. From an outside perspective their logic seems sound, "just help them, build more houses so they aren't homeless". It's nowhere near that easy not by a long shot. I grew up in these environments and have encountered countless drug addicts including members of my own family. A person living a relatively normal life can't possibly understand the way drugs effect someone without experiencing it. A normal mother couldn't fathom leaving their child home alone for a mere 20 minutes unattended unless they were sleeping or something. A mother addicted to crack cocaine will leave their child home alone with no food for a week in order to go out and get her drug fix because her drug addicted brain has determined that her drug fix is more important to her than her own childs actual survival. I was that child at one point, I know exactly what drugs can do to a person. Fixing somebody like that takes A LOT MORE than simply being "nicer" to them and having a "heart".
     
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    I am not against it being mandatory for the better units,thst they have to sign up for and attend the chore list.
     
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    I couldn't answer your poll because I see a difference between "low income" and "homeless".

    I wouldn't mind low-income apartments or duplexes for law-abiding, working people in my area.

    But most of the homeless are deeply mentally ill or addicted to hard drugs.

    I think the profoundly mentally ill should be housed in caring, humane state facilities. I think the answer to drug addicted homeless people is to convict them for drug possession and incarcerate them in a combination jail/drug rehabilitation facility that is used for that purpose only. I see this not as being cruel. I see this as saving their lives.

    If we did these things, we would probably reduce homelessness by 90% if not more.
     
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    This doesn't specific what the housing consists of beyond nondescript references to "poor" housing.
     
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    1) It doesn't matter what they do after choosing to forfeit benefits for their drug of choice. Their freely made choice is none of our business.

    2) They will have to live within the law either way, just like everyone else. If they do crime, they'll be prosecuted and locked up to detox the hard way. It's going to happen either way .. and that's the entire point of the exercise. To see fewer people living in that condition, and fewer people choosing that condition in future.
     
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    Exactly my point. I've worked in the 'industry', and I know the reality.

    Homelessness (and all the things which lead to it in the First World) is a choice. Since it IS a choice, you can't fix it with materials. You can, however, fix it with removal of materials. People who intend to survive will choose life, and that's what we want to foster.
     
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    On the contrary, it's cruel NOT to do things like this. Anyone who condemns a 90% improvement (and it would likely be that high) shows you their real motives .. and it's not to help and prevent. It's cheap virtue points on the backs of easy targets.
     
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    If we care about these people at all, we have to make it universally mandatory. They need the hard lesson they've missed in childhood. They need that much love, to reach equilibrium. They need to know their lives are SO important that others are prepared to fight alongside them to get out of bed every day and meet obligations.
     
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    Have you ever seen “Seattle Is Dying”? It’s an hour long and can be seen on YouTube. It’s very well done. This involuntary intervention is the answer they arrive at.
     
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    Oh that's going straight to my playlist - thank you! Will watch tonight. Glad they figured it out, as per your overview. Give it any more than a cursory consideration, and that's the only conclusion you can reach.
     
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    Oh hell yes. Do you have any? Send them by QUICK

    SOMEBODY has to replace my next door neighbors. Worst, ****** redneck deadbeats that god ever cursed a landlord with.

    People that fly the Swastika over the Stars and Bars are rarely credits to the neighborhood Association.
     

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