Would You Care If Racists Are Bred Out Of Total Existence?

Actually, I didn't mean to add Libertarians into that group and I shouldn't have, so you're right. It was an ignorant statement and I retract it.

Conservatives and Liberals are all the same as far as I'm concerned and that is my personal opinion that shouldn't mean anything to you.

There's a reason that unbiased scientific studies on race don't exist and that's because there's agenda to uphold. Can you imagine how conflicted everyone would be if scientific evidence strongly supported what racists say? This is why I don't take scientific evidence seriously these days. I have 30 years experience in black majority neighborhoods. I know exactly how intelligent or not blacks are. Dr James Watson is only intelligent when he's agreeing with whatever the majority is saying. When he doesn't, he's automatically "ignorant" and "stupid."

Just want to clarify that I am a proud racist, but I'm not homophobic. Homosexuality neither interests me or disgusts me. I wouldn't think twice if a homosexual man wanted to befriend me. As long as he's not black, homosexuals do not bother me in the slightest.

I can't believe you can't see the stupidity and childishness of "studies" that say "racism and homophobia is linked to low-intelligence."

Whoever invented the term "homophobia" seems low on intelligence to me. No one is scared of homosexuals.

 

That correction is noted and appreciated.

Is this a supportable statement or an ignorant opinion? I would like to see some actual evidence that is not anecdotal in nature (which is prone to error) to support such a statement. Having rather extensive knowledge related to science I would state uncatagorically that scientists don't take political correctness into consideration when conducting clinical studies. Scientists love to take on any controversial issue or topic and subject it to clincal analysis. There could very well be clinical studies going on right now to try and disprove the conclusions of the studies I've cited. The problem is that because of the nature of clinical studies the researchers cannot "load" the study so it results in a pre-determined outcome. Any study that does that is quicly discredited upon peer review.

That isn't going to happen because virtually everything the racists state is false. As has been shown in this thread alone the beliefs that "African-Americans" are less intelligent has been proven false. The "Black Crime" statistics have been shown to be a racist myth. The "racist" arguments are so easily disproven that it would be impossible for them to ever be supported based upon critical thinking and intellectual investigations.

Racists even misrepresent what "race" is as from a genetic standpoint race doesn't even exist and it certainly doesn't relate to skin color, language, or religion and racists condemn others based upon all of these criteria. As I just addressed, for example, Hispanic is not a race but instead represents a language and culture based upon Spain and the "Spanish" are considered to be "whites" even by most racists. There are some very minor genelogical differences based upon the migration of modern humans out of Africa, whether it happened in one or two migrations, but that does not establish a racial criteria. It establishes a geographical "cosmetic" criteria that is so insignificant that it isn't even worth discussing.

Dr Watson's failure was to leave science to embark on non-scientific speculation. The "racist" should realize this fact as it was so easily established. Dr Watson did not conduct any clinical analysis to support his statements. Had he done that he would have been above scientific reproach for his statements. Why would a "racists" cite Dr Watson as a "scientific authority" knowing that his statements didn't have any scientific foundation? This is as bad as citing a nobel lauriate (Dr Shockley) who didn't have any educational background related to social sciences as an authority on racial issues.

I don't comment on any members of Political Forum as that is always off topic to the discussion.

Studies have linked prejudice to low intelligence. This is not only supported by peer reviewed clinical studies but also by common sense. Individuals with low intelligence lack critical thinking skills and it is the lack of critical thinking skills that allows prejudice to develop in an individual. If they had critical thinking skills they would be less likely to have prejudice.

Racism and homophobia are certainly linked to prejudice. As noted above racists that cite Dr Watson and Dr Shockley have failed to display any critical thinking related to either of them. Dr Watson made racist statementw without any scientific foundation and Dr Shockley was literally out of his field of expertise and any intelligent person would recognize those facts. Additionally racists claims about the intelligence of blacks and black crime rates requires critical thinking to dispel and obviously the racists lack these critical thinking skills.

In reality because of the ignorant arguments presented by racists the findings of the studies make absolute sense. Not a single argument I've ever seen presented by racists has stood up to a review base upon the critical thinking skills of an intelligent person. Even when the facts are presented, such as related to low IQ test scores and "black crime" the racists simply dismiss the facts because they don't agree with their bigoted opinions. This is highly reflective of low intelligence that cannot digest complex facts to reach a logical conclusion.

This seems to be another really weird opinion. A "phobia" is an irrational fear of something and "homophobia" is merely a term that defines an irrational fear of homosexuals. Prejudice is generally the result of "fear" as was also shown in one of the studies I presented in the OP. It is true that the prejudiced individual, because they're not the sharpest pencil in the box, is unlikely to acknowledge that their prejudice is related to fear but their statements often reflect this fear. For example the racist making statements about the "violence" of African-Americans reflects an irrational fear of the racist related being a possible victim of black crime. They're not likely to admit that this is based upon fear but in reality it is.

Homophobics are subconscious afraid of homosexuals. We see this with fundamentalist Christians that oppose same-gender marriage. They are afraid that the inclusion of same-gender marriage will diminish their opposite-gender marriage but in fact it will not. It is an irrational fear held by many Christians and is really no different than the irrational fears of the racist. That is why many racists also homophobics because their low intelligence makes them highly susceptible to irrational fears.

In fact the studies I provided, which have been subjected to extensive peer review, are not only valid based upon scientific standards but are also logical as even the anecdotal evidence, as we've seen on this thread, supports them as well.

 

Racism is a serious problem to those that want to force multi-culturalism on us, right? It cannot be tolerated by those social engineers. How do you make racism less attractive to the goyim who have no affiliation? Create a scientific study that "proves" racists are stupid and that racism is linked to low-intelligence. Who would want to be a racist then?

That is my evidence. But of course, that is just my opinion. But, come on, you only have to look around to see it's an opinion that may have a little something to it.

The thought that a whole ideology is linked to low-intelligence is borderline hilarious to me. I would say anti-racists are ignorant because they clearly do not have experience of the blacks they love to defend. But I would never honestly say anti-racism is linked to low-intelligence... unless I'm playing a petty game of tit for tat. It's just ludicrous.

Ummm, I think you'll find that we proved you wrong on "racist crime stat myths." Do you want to have another read of the other thread?

I have yet to meet one single racist that condemns black "people" based upon their skin color and nearly all I hang out with these days are racists. Why would any sane human being condemn blacks because of their skin color??

You seem very confused in the whole of these two paragraphs.

Anyway, you're right, it isn't going to happen because it would be absoolutely disastrous for the liberal elite who are forcing multi-culturalism on us all.

Dr. James Watson specifically said genes responsible for creating differences in human intelligence could be found within a decade. Now if anti-racists put aside their irrational outrage and simply said "then prove it within that time frame" instead of launching a hate campaign which saw the man verbally slaughtered/criticized and his career left in tatters then maybe I would have a "scientific study" to show you. But I can't. Because when leading scientists like Dr. James Watson presents an argument that the left doesn't like, they do things like this...

Anti-racism campaigners called for Dr Watson's remarks to be looked at in the context of racial hatred laws.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/s...-less-intelligent-than-westerners-394898.html

This is the thing, Shiva. The anti-racists don't play fair.

This is the thing. I have an abundance of critical thinking skills as I'm sure many others have. I converted to racism from being an anti-racist like you. So I have the ability to analyze and evaluate. My findings are that every argument an anti-racist makes can easily be debunked and it does get debunked. You just choose to ignore it or dig your heels in. The only one I see dismissing facts is you. Such as the infamous FBI statistic debacle you tried to use.

Critical thinking skills aren't that rare actually. We racists have formed our opinions based on observance. You think we just think "that's a nasty shade of brown, I hate them for that!" Of course not, we have obviously seen and experienced things that you have not and after thinking about it have come to the conclusion that all the excuses for such appalling behavior are easily debunked. But, of course, the very idea that we may be right and you may be wrong is something that you couldn't bring yourself to accept because it goes completely against your agenda.

I don't think I know any adults that lack critical thinking skills.

I was actually joking when I made that comment and didn't mean for it to be taken seriously, which is why I used this emoticon --->

But, now that you elaborate, I'm a little curious. Does this mean that anti-racists are infact racist-phobic? Are anti-racists scared that racists might harm them for their beliefs that blacks are equal to them or that racists might go out and harm a black "person?"

This is very interesting actually. Because one could make the argument that anything we dislike we automatically fear. Anti-racists are so strong in their hatred of racism and almost foaming at the mouth when debating racists online. It's all "you're stupid and ignorant" this and "get a (*)(*)(*)(*) education you inbred racist (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)bag" that. I rarely see any anti-racists debate rationally without throwing out ad hominem attacks and sometimes downright vicious insults. Is this all based on fear?

You do have a point. When I'm walking down my street through waves of blacks I'm never really scared or fearful, but I am conscious of the significant amount of gun crime blacks have. If a black held a gun to me and asked for my money, I would absolutely assume he was going to shoot me whether I handed him money or not. I am often fearful if female family members are out in my majority black neighborhood because blacks are notoriously cowardly and love to target females for their violent crime.

I can't for the life of me imagine anyone being particularly "fearful" of anything to do with homosexuality. Of course, there are those that dislike it and would fight against any aspect of it. But I suppose again you do have a point that there are those that fear it may make a mockery of the sanctity of marriage. But surely that's a tiny minority of "homophobes" we are talking about here?

By your philosophy, we're all scared and fearful of whatever we oppose. You can't have it one way and not the other. Anti-racists are scared that racist views may become mainstream and that must be why Dr. James Watson's comments were roundly chastized.

 

Proof that hardcore racist are often of low intelligence.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlHUYhhAq48&nomobile=1]White Nationalist=Stupid[/ame]

 

Shiva,

It is so unlike you to start a thread like this. I am surprised.

The answer to your question is that every American is a racist because racism imbibed like mother's milk. There are no exceptions. So what you are proposing is the extinction of the entire American populace.

 

You better check out that video .
The guy is about as non racist as you can imagine .
You may not like his style but he certainly is not low IQ .
That's some howler you made .

 

That sounds good news indeed .
What you are saying is that this contrasts with a country like Great Britain which is composed of people who are genetically more sociable and hence smarter than Americans .
And because of a trend towards tolerance and compassion , we are also adapting faster than other groups -- another biological measure of good goal fixing and natural intelligence .
All of this seemed certain on common sense grounds , but it is nice to have the views endorsed from the other side of the world and by somebody immersed in the malaise of a dying people and being able to pin point its causes .

 

I wasn't calling TJ racist and IQ doesn't measure all intelligence. Watch the vid.

 

Due to time constraints I need to limit my response:

Anthropologists refer to the above type statements as "cultural imperialism" where individuals to see their culture as being superior to all others. This is most common in cultures which hold a dominate power over other cultures and it is based upon a lack of knowledge about cultures in general. In short, individuals that are fundamentally ignorant (i.e. stupid) about cultures make asinine assumptions about cultures. The racist goes one step further in their igorance (i.e. stupidity) by assigning cultural characteristics based upon "racial" criteria such as skin color or ethnic origin.

Cultural differences can be voluntary or forced upon a group of individuals by others. We see that in many of the African-American communities in America where, based upon their skin color which is a racist established criteria, they have been subjected to severe discrimination and subjugation by the "white" culture of America for over 300 years. The "racist" refuses to acknowledge that they created the "African-American" culture by generational discrimmination where blacks have been denied equality in America first under slavery, then under the law, and today by the invidious actions of the "white" population which controls the society.

There is no equality in America in spite of the laws.

African-American schools have been shown to be inferior to schools in white communities even when the economic conditions are the same.

African-Americans are five times more likely to be stopped by police than a white person even when the officer is African-American.

African-Americans sentencing for criminal offenses average almost 1.5 times longer prison sentences when compare to whites committing the identical crimes leading to a disproportionate number of African-Americans in prision.

African-Americans are less likely to secure employment even when they are more qualified for the position than a white person.

African-Americans are less likely to be able to secure a loan than a white person even when they have a superior debt to income level.

African-Americans are less likely to be promoted in their employment to management positions when compared to whites in the same companies.

These are not statistics from the 1960's but instead are statistics from today. Every one of them can be supported with statistical studies, they cannot be denied and they are all based upon racism.

Everyone has to get by in life and when a ligitimate means of securing income and being treated equally is denied then a person, any person, is going to seek alternative means for being able to support themself and their family. In African-American communities this often results in gangs and illegal black market activities. With the black market also comes violent crime and this is unrelated to race. We saw that with "whites" during prohibition. As violence becomes an accepted norm, as we see with black markets, the inclination to violence spreads in the culture.

We see ignornace when the term "multi-culturalism" is used because it is white society, through racism, that created the different white and black cultures. The "liberals" don't call for multi-culturalism but instead call for universal-culturalism. It is a culture with numerous facets but one where race plays no part. Where all people are treated equally without invidious discrimination based upon skin color or ethnic heritage promoted by the racist.

Irionically if the racist was concerned about resolviing the problems in our black communities they would be advocates of affirmative action so that African-Americans would secure more employment and the racial discrimination would be overcome. As a card carrying Libertarian I don't personally like Affirmative Action but I see that it is a valid attempt to overcome racist discrimination in the work force of America. I'd prefer to see the racists disappear so that discrimination does not exist but as long as the racist exists the only logical counter-action is Affirmative Action. If the racist wanted to address the lower educational levels of African-Americans as reflected by standardized IQ tests which measure this they would be fighting for improvements in the schools in black communities. If they wanted to lower the criminal statistics related to African-Americans they would be demonstating in front of the court houses where blacks receive longer prison terms than whites for the same crimes. They would be down at their local police departments protesting against racial profiling by the police.

The statistics are all there. Lower scholastic achievement. Lower employment rates. More likely to be stopped by police. More likely to receive substantially longer prison sentences for crimes. Lower home ownership rates. Greater likelihood of violent crimes. All of these are signs of invidous discrimination by white racists.

No, the liberals and libertarians don't want "multi-culturalism" but instead want universal-culturalism where all individuals are treated identically regardless of their skin color or their ethnic heritage. When the statistical disparities between the "races" is non-existant then we will have achieved universal-culturalism and not before but that can only happen based upon the positive actions of the "white" society to integrate all races and ethnic backgrounds into the American culture as oppose to the cultural imperialistic "white" culture. The racist needs to abandon their racist "white culture" and embrace the "American culture" which includes all people of all races, all ethic origins, religious backgrounds (or lack thereof) without invidious racist discrimination. They need to do this based upon universal ideals upon which America was founded where all "men" are created equal and endowed by their creator with inalienable Rights.

The "racist" violates the very ideals upon which America was founded as they propagate invdious discrimination which is about as unAmerican as it can get. If I were to identify the greatest failure of America it was the racism of "white society" that has existed since the founding of America. It violated the very ideals established by the Declaration of Independence and it continues to be the greatest problem our society today.

On a final note we often see racists condemn the Zionists of Israel and this is ironic as the real problem with the Zionists is that they are racists. They do not represent the Jewish People but are an influential political group that advocates racist aparthied in Israel. There is fundamentally no difference between the Zionist racist and the American White racist. They both represent the same intolerance in promoting invidious discrimination based upon "racial" and "ethnic" criteria.

 

Racism is based upon ignorant prejudice and it advocates invidious discrimination which violates the very ideals upon which America was founded. It is the "white culture" of America which has been the single greatest problem in America since the signing of the Declaration of Independence when slavery was allowed to continue.

We need to abandon the idea of a "white culture" and embrace the "American culture" where all people are entitled to equality under the law and were discrimination based upon such ignorant criteria as skin color, ethnic origin, sex, religious beliefs (or lack thereof) is eliminated.

The only "race" that exists is the "human race" and anyone that fails to understand this is an ignorant racist.

 

We condemn the Zionists of Israel because they are the social engineers who are FORCING multi-culturalism on us...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AOc4CfSYv4"]Jews want multiculturalism for Sweden!! - YouTube[/ame]

We're also fully aware of their racist apartheid in Israel. We don't like hypocrites very much either.

Your whole point about blacks needing to turn to crime because of all the prejudices in America would be taken a lot more seriously IF black crime wasn't a severe problem in every single country on the planet where there are black "people" and also if blacks didn't lead the charts in crimes that have nothing to do with making money and surviving, such as sexual crimes.

This is where critical thinking skills really matter. First you observe, analyze and evaluate why blacks commit crime, then you find all the excuses from the evaluation process, then you scrutinize and evaluate those excuses. What you find is that astronomically high black crime rates have little to do with poverty and more to do with genes. Of course, there is no scientific study to back this up. The anti-racists on the left want anyone who dares study this scientifically charged with a hate-crime. We've already established that. But you can easily make your own conclusions through critical thinking skills. It's not that difficult.

Lastly, I grew up dirt poor and I wouldn't dream of turning to crime. I know this doesn't prove much, but maybe it explains why I find the "crime linked to poverty" excuse hard to buy. There is no reason why you can't survive on a low income job in this day and age and if you don't want to do that there is always welfare programs and food stamps to help a brotha out. But then blacks, along with Jews, are very greedy.

 

Black crime isn't a severe problem in every single country on the planet... There are some countries/islands where blacks are the majority and have low crime.

 

Let's see some evidence of that.

 

I'd personally like to see the BPs and NBPs bred out of existence. Just like the KKK.

 

United Republic of Tanzania
Percentage of population in prison = 0.1%

United States of America
Percentage of population in prison = 0.7%

Prison populations are a relatively good way of evaluating crime in a nation. Of note even if we cut the US prison population in half so that it only reflects "white" the US still has over three times as many "whites" in prison based upon population when compared to Tanziania.

http://www.nationmaster.com/country/tz-tanzania/cri-crime

 

Puerile nonsense. The reason so many in the West believe their culture is superior to the cultures of others is because it is superior. Are you really going to argue that a culture that values freedom of the individual is not superior to those cultures that require an iron-fisted dictator? Do you think a culture that devalues women and denies them rights is better than a culture that empowers them? Do you think a culture that values science and human advancement is not better than a culture that wants to be in the 7th century?

BS. Asians, Hispanics, and even minority whites have been discriminated against in the past, and all of these groups are doing significantly better than blacks. What you anti-racists are promoting is carte blanche for blacks, whereby they are not responsible for their own actions. Whatever the condition of their communities, it can't be blamed on their decisions to take drugs, or their decisions to not go to school, or their decisions to commit crime and join gangs, etc. It's all the fault of the white man. It's easier to have a scapegoat than it is to admit that one of your pet minority groups is behaving badly in the society.

Blacks don't want equality. They want preferential treatment, which is evidenced by the fact that they get their own schools, own TV channels, own scholarships, etc. They have the same opportunity to succeed as whites do. That's not good enough.

Inferior in what ways? Are you going by test scores? If so, there's another reason for that that you are conveniently ignoring.

There goes your argument about racist whites, then. The reason blacks are pulled over more by police is because they are more likely to be involved in crimes. Why fault the police for doing their jobs? If blacks are committing more crimes than other races, why is it racist for police to be more suspicious of blacks?

I would be interested to see if those black criminals had any prior offenses on their record that would warrant a longer prison term.

I'd like to see some evidence of this. And, I suspect it would not be as simple as you are painting it out to be. How are these blacks in the stastical survey interviewing? Do they have a criminal history? Etc.

How long have they had credit? Do they have any negative credit marks on their record? How long have they had their jobs? What kind of jobs do they have? Etc. You want to condense this issue down to a simple little package of "RACISM!!!" but it isn't that simple.

How long have they been employed? Have they had any problems with their employer? Do they have the skills necessary to justify promotion?

Your insistence on being right does not make it so. You are ignoring other explanations in favor of your preconceived notions.

West Virginia has some of the poorest people in the country, and it has one of the lowest crime rates per capita. Contrast that with Washington DC, which has a higher income per capita and a sky-high crime rate. Violent crime is not always the result of poverty. The difference between West Virginia and Washington DC is the color of the population and their respective cultures. One idolizes gangmembership, drug usage, and violence, while the other doesn't. Guess which one displays more crime?

White liberals created this mess. Through their welfare programs during the "war on poverty", black families have been destroyed. 73% of black kids are born without fathers in their household. Before the war on poverty began, black nuclear families were common. There are many studies that show a link between crime and growing up in a single-parent household. Without a strong male role model, black kids are much more likely to join gangs and enter into a life of crime. Once they get arrested, it makes it less likely for them to get a job, so they continue committing crimes, and continue getting arrested. There is no racist excuse you can come up with that causes black fathers to abandon their responsibilities with their families. As a libertarian, you should know that it is the responsibility of individuals, not a collectivist scapegoat.

 

I am very skeptical of your "card carrying Libertarian" credentials, at this point. You are clearly more of a collectivist in your thinking, which is closer to the leftist/Marxist/liberal side of the spectrum.

Insane amounts of money are thrown at the public school system in minority areas, and the schools are still failing to educate children. The solution always thrown out by liberals is "MORE MONEY!" It isn't working. Even in poor schools, the white and Asian kids almost always do better than the Hispanic and black kids. The reason for this is because black and Hispanic cultures do not value education as highly as white and Asian cultures. Fix that problem, and we would be well on our way to helping blacks and Hispanics improve in school. Making excuses for the failing system is not going to help. Affirmative action, which you are advocating, is ironically a racist and Marxist plan of rewarding people simply for being a certain color. People who are not as qualified should not be given preference over those who are qualified. I'd feel better about going to a doctor who got A's in school than going to one who got C's and D's, but was given placement simply because of his color, what about you?

I'd say those are signs of a race of people who are less capable of succeeding in civil society. I believe that their culture is the primary culprit, as well as their inability to take responsibility for themselves. Your efforts here reinforce this pattern of blame-shifting, and is counterproductive towards helping them succeed, despite your best intentions.

This is BS. Liberals have been selling the idea of multiculturalism for decades, now. The ignorant belief that states that all cultures are equally valid and that nobody has a right to say his/her culture is better than someone else's. The "melting pot" idea has been destroyed by the left. Minorities are not encouraged to come here and blend in with American culture. They are told that they are just fine the way they are, and that they should bring their culture here to compete with American culture and society. They are also told, by the left, that American culture is basically a racist, decadent, unfair culture that has to change. The result, predictably, is that groups and cultures are balkanizing.

"White society" was responsible for the creation of this great country. Without past generations of whites, there would have been no United States of America. Have they fallen short of their outlined goals in the Constitution and Bill of Rights in the past? Sure. However, the very fact that they had these goals listed, and have sought to live up to them, shows they were light years beyond any culture or people in the world at that time. You choose to only focus on the negatives.

It's really sad to see you hate your own race in such an embarrassingly self-loathing manner. The greatest failure of America was to embrace Marxism during the 60's. Those consequences are now being felt in great severity, and will only get worse as time goes on. The policies you are advocating for, here, is in line with Marxism. Your thinking is part of the problem, but you don't even realize it.

I separate with my fellow racists on this issue, since I see Islam and Muslims are much more of a threat than Zionist Jews. I will say, though, that the left is more anti-Israel and anti-Zionist than the right is.

 

Discriminated a little bit against for about a year or two is a not comparable in the slightest.

Did you know that the so-called african american [Israel] was held in slavery for 400 years by european/american [gentiles]?

 

America is not a great country. It will go down in history as being just as wicked as that Babylon. Look at it's foundation and how it was built. You cannot build a sustainable society based on wickedness. The Mexicans will take it back very soon!

Watch this space.

 

And for many thousands of years by other blacks in Africa. What's your point?

And other groups have been discriminated against for generations. They aren't using it as an excuse for why they can't compete in the society.

 

Someone still sounds a little butt-hurt over the Revolutionary War. You lost, just like you lost in many other places around the world. Get over it.

 

No, they weren't held as slaves in Africa for Africans. When will you liberals see the truth and stop excusing yourselves?

No other group in history has suffered as much as the Israelites.

 

http://www.bermuda4u.com/Essential/bermuda_dangers.html

Half of Bermuda's population is black.

 

Dude, I never set foot in America in all my life, nor my ppl. Some traitors may have been misguided but they will know by my word and if they don't repent they will burn.

 

And any number of places, Papa New Guinea is literally paradise and a many number of the Islands of the sea. Tonga, New Zealand and Im sure places like Trinidad n Tobago are beautiful. Then there are pockets in Africa that remain pure and free from exploitation which is amazing considering the occupation by the war mongering Arabs and europeans.