Would you date a Transgender?

You can feel anyways you want, but that doesn't make it real. Just because a man may feel like he should be a woman doesn't change his anatomy from birth.

 

Yeah, big honkin' size 12 gunboats and 'cankles' are a dead give away. LOL

 

Gender idenity is a feeling, that's all. So yes you're correct in the sense that it's not real. But of course was Santa Claus real? Did you wait up all night, trying to see him? Just because something isn't real, doesn't mean we won't act on it.

 

the difference being i was young and impressionable and when i grew up i realized Santa is not coming down any chimney. I came to face the truth and accept it. now had i still believed to this day Santa is real then you would have a point, but i feel you picked a bad example.

nonetheless i understand what you were trying to say , but at the same time one day these people need to face the truth of what they truly are. its one thing to be gay because simply thats an attraction and there is truly no rule of nature as to what you need be attracted too. Its also one thing to go in drag, some people just want to dress in the opposite sex clothes... but most understand they are in fact drag queens and it doesnt change them from male to female.

its a totally other thing to be born a male and tell everyone you are a woman lol. dont get me wrong, i dont hate transgenders or anything, if they want to feel that way then thats all fine and dandy....but just because they feel that way doesnt mean i have to share a bathroom with a woman who feels like she is a man, nor should my kids have to adapt to what is basically a person who is lying to themselves.

 

You still make sure you're still a good person at Christmas time. It might be the spirit of the holiday, but deep down, you still want to be that good kid for Santa.

They are facing reality. They might have something that says they're not a guy or girl, but it's what they feel. What someone feels is more important then what's the truth. So, let them do it.

You can do whatever you want to do, so long as it doesn't infringe upon the rights of other people. Now as for the bathroom, unless you're looking inside the stalls, you shouldn't have much problem. As for your kids, they're going to be experienced to a lot of things as well. Might as well be experienced to it at a young age.

 

Wait wait wait...so you're telling me that someone's insanely confusing life and expensive surgery and struggle for self identity and your acceptance comes down to how inconvenienced you might be at a public bathroom?

I think we got a winner for most absurd reasoning in this discussion. Slight discomfort in a public bathroom.

Nice.

I couldn't have come up with something as ridiculous on purpose.

 

you take one example as my whole view on things?

and i dont gie a damn who had their dick cut off and who had a penis installed, its still a fake no matter how you cut it...pun intended.

but no, what it comes down to is i dont truly give a damn about what you think you are, just dont bring me into it. thats pretty much my view on anything really, as long as i dont have to adapt to your way of life then i wont care what the hell you want to feel or do with your body. im not imposing my life on anyone else so the last thing i want is your life in my face.

but please, keep on making crazy ASSumptions.

 

lol do what? not only are you totally wrong but now you feel you can tell how i act during christmas? obviously you are far from grown up because you have no idea what its like to be an adult during christmas. christmas is something that is mainly for children, so for us adults it is hell on wheels getting everything together.

lol i stopped believing in santa when i was 9 or 10. but we still play the game with the kiddies because its just fun for them. actually got 1 trying to snag santa the last couple years, but alas im staying one step ahead...for now lol.

lol i dont care what way they want to feel, for all i care if a man feels like a woman and he has a thing for a man in a tigger outfit then oh well, its his choice to do those things. hell i dont gie a damn if they want to go out in public dressed as a hooker lol, but dont ask me to approve of it if they throw it in my face is all im saying.

Im all for LGBT right to not be discriminated against and live their private life as freely as you or I, but im just tired of it being shoved down my throat. i hope one day all this is forgotten and we can all going on with our lives, but *******n it they need to stop acting like they are (*)(*)(*)(*)ing special and just be normal about who they are or think they are and stop demanding we change our lives for them.

a man has no reason to be in a womens bathroom dude, no matter how you try and explain it. a woman doesnt need to be in a mens locker room for obvious reasons.

and oh, since kids are gonna eventually have sex i guess i should let them just start right now eh? do you have children? i dont think so because you wouldnt be that liberal with someone elses kids on how they are to be raised if you had your own.

 

First off, here's an idea. Ever thought that someone who's gay gets really 'icky feelings' or feels like it's being thrown in their face to see straight couples holding hands and making out everywhere in public? Like, that same feeling you get when you're out in town and see two dudes holding hands?

Second, who's throwing what in your face?

Third, I can give you a good reason for a person of the opposite sex to be in a place designated as 'not for them': They're the cleaner.

Honestly, I don't know what kind of bathrooms you're going to where it's so dangerous and there's people naked and showing their crotches to everyone like a fashion show, so what's the deal with your bathroom fears of a transgender person coming in and doing their business? They're likely going to be dressed as a woman in a woman's bathroom (no need to attract the authorities) and they will go into a stall and do their business in private. Please explain to me how this is terrible and 'throwing it in your face'. If it's a woman going into a dude's bathroom, well, we have stalls, too, they they haven't gotten surgery yet, thus again, who's going around shoving anything in anyone's face?

It's one thing to ask the question 'would you date a transgender'. It's another thing to be ridiculously intolerant by saying something that seems tolerant such as 'i don't care what they do as long as it's never ever around me'. Which is basically intolerance since apparently you feel that if you see or know about it, OMG, you've been tainted!

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I'd say a good portion of people don't understand the gravity of the situation until it hits home with them...i.e. a friend or even family member (son, daughter, brother, uncle, etc.) that they're really close to becomes 'ONE OF THEM'. But I do know until that happens to you, your world view won't change. I'm not trying to argue you out of your personal opinion, just stating that you're incapable of even humoring the other side of the argument which makes it extremely obvious you're intolerant.

 

first off, here is an idea.............Show me where i said i felt "icky" about gay or lesbians holding hands??? secondly stop reaching an assuming with every post you make. I dont get irked out about 2 grown adults showing mild affection towards eachother in public, so you can take that line and stick it in your tool shed.

pretty easy, it seems like we have to champion everything that is gay. its annoying to be honest, once again they arent special just because they are gay so they dont have to act like they deserve a cookie or media madness just because they are attracted to the opposite sex.

ok we get it, you are gay, you want us to hold a parade for you and give you a dozen cookies?

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lol cute, you are gonna bring janitors and cleaning ladies into this? dude thats a job and you arent gonna find women in the mens room cleaning without either a)a sign stating "out of sevice" so no men go in there or b) the cleaning lady will leave if a man enters.

you are truly opening a can of worms that you obviously are too ignorant to understand. now because of what you want to force everyone to do, all it takes is a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing pervert to dress in drag to go to the ladies room and get his rocks off on little girls and women. thats just a taste of what many things could happen, but im sure you will right that off as well.

also just be ready to be "outraged" over a woman being raped in a mens bathroom, because if you think this cant lead to that then you have lost your gord. when you stop thinking their are zero consequences for every action you liberals want to take and force us to live by and start thinking with some common sense for once then maybe you will get your (*)(*)(*)(*) straight . But right now you are vying for votes so anything negative that could come from your ridiculous legislations are going to be overlooked and not really cared about.

i dont push my lifestyle on anyone else, why should i have someone elses lifestyle pushed on me? i dont give a damn what people do behind closed doors, thats their business and they have a right to that privacy. I havent been tainted, i just ue common sense and not "do anything to get votes" sense when i come up with ideas. I look at reality, and not the fantasy that is a liberal la la land.

 

Your random jabs at me personally aside, point taken. Stop talking about my tool shed, you pervert.

When was the last time you were a minority in the sexual preference and were persecuted? Oh, that's right...never.
Assuming you're straight (which is correct based on what you've written), you've never been held down to gay paradigms, never been told you couldn't get married, been called derogatory names publicly because you like the opposite sex, etc. You're completely downplaying the point of gay pride. They've had to hide for a long time out of fear. It's not just that they're gay, it's a discrimination factor in all of this.

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You left yourself open. Never say never or 'there's no reason'. There's always a way, which is why conservative mindsets are always full of fail. You don't ever see any possibilities.

Is it really necessary to keep insulting me? Anyway..

Let me clue you in on something: Those scenarios are possible right now. They have nothing to do with transgender people wanting to take a (*)(*)(*)(*) in your precious bathrooms.

Are you also worried that the sky is falling? I take back that whole line about never see the possibilities, lol. And what do you mean 'you're vying for votes'? I'm not a politician, I'm not registered with any party and you, my friend are also making assumptions.

Here's reality: (*)(*)(*)(*) happens. Nothing you've stated here is any true reason to be worried about your bathroom issues. You could honestly be worried about that right now. Nothing prevents these actions. There are deterrents, but nothing preventing them. In fact, why don't you do a little test yourself. You dress up as the opposite sex, walk into their bathroom, use it and then leave. I'm fairly certain if you are any good with your disguise, no one will give two (*)(*)(*)(*)s as to your motives and why you're there unless you go in and start staring at people while they're just trying to do their business.

Again, your xenophobia, jealousy (conclusion drawn from your 'whoopty doo, they're gay' spiel), and your mythical fears of an influx in bathroom rapes is laughable.

I think you mistake the difference between pushed lifestyle and having to accept the possibility you will have to come face to face with it on your daily mission in life to show how awesomely tolerant you claim to be. And you don't look at reality. Again, nothing you're claiming in 'opening a can of worms' is something that could only happen by transgendered being allowed to use their preferred bathroom. You're just fear mongering in order to validate your own personal fears of which none are justified.

 

you assumed i said something or feel a certain way so i called you out to show me where i gave you that idea.you couldnt so typically just like a liberal, you dodged the question and tainted the discussion with what you wrote above.

and as for your tool shed, i meant your tool shed and not your "tool shed" you perverted thinking little clown .

wow, more ASSumptions lol. before i answer this question what do you perceive me as being in your mind. please i cant wait to hear this answer because im guessing you think im a lily white redneck conservative who hates the LGBT community and racist as well???

nope never been called names because of my sexual preference, but ive had a good bit of discrimination come my way for a few other things. but all in the same i find gay pride, brown pride, white pride and black pride very (*)(*)(*)(*)ing stupid and totally obnoxious.



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a cleaning lady is not using the mens bathroom when she pleases. so yeah, your mind set went a little off the rails with this one.

yeah they are possible at this very time, but a bit more unlikely since a man is truly not that often gonna use the womens bathroom whenever he damned well pleases. Transgender doesnt mean you are gay, it has nothing to do with what your sexual orientation is. when you understand that part about transgender we can go a little further with what im getting at.

you dont have to be registered with a party to share mindsets and ignore realities of any situation. and no, just because i dont approve of transgenders using the opposite sex bathrooms im not gonna run and scream like my world is over lol. there are many things i dont agree with but im not gonna reolve my life around them, but if asked i will give my opinion.

you however feel its a must and this has to happen and without it life isnt fair at all lol.

its not just bathroom issues, those are small potato's compared to what liberals want to implement. secondly im not gonna dress up as a woman because thats not my thing and im just not good at makeup lol. and once again, not a chance im going drag.

and once again, when you realize being transgender has nothing to do with what you prefer to be with,woman or man, then you might get to start to understand where im going with this.

lol @ xenophobia. im not scared of transgenders or any type of person, but i am worried about legislation that opens the flood gates to a good amount of bad. and trust me, im jealous of nobody, i just cant stand obnoxious people needing to flaunt their personal lives.

and mythical fear of women being raped in bathrooms??? really now, why dont you google that and see you you come up with bud. and once again, make sure you understand that transgender does not have anything to do with who you prefer to sex it up with.

no its pretty much pushed, we MUST accept it and we MUST like it. in a perfect world you can force people to accept anything, but in the real world the more you push people to accept something they dont like the worse the hate gets. I wish everyone would shut the hell up and just live their lives, nobody needs to have your religions,sexual orientation, racial preferences or political ideologies shoved in their faces. Unless asked then why the hell do you want others to give a damn? The many places i have been gays and transgenders live just fine, and just like any individual in this country or world someone is not gonna like them. So what, that guy hates gays or drag queens, big (*)(*)(*)(*)ing whoopy its not like you are ever gonna see him again. Flip the bird and walk it the hell off. done it plenty of times, i didnt need the media to have my back to truly be proud of who the hell i am, nor did i ever need to shout it like i needed everyone to know what i am.

in short, who gives a (*)(*)(*)(*) if people dont like you because you dont live to please the world.

 

Not a chance.

 

Overall, yes, I know the difference between a cross dresser, someone who is attracted to the same sex and someone who has an operation. However, many people do actually think these are all tied together, so rather than separate them, I think they belong in the same argument because it's mostly about fear of so-called traditional values dissolving, which is generally what is the root cause of all of the hooplah against things like gay-pride parades.

Again, I'm not arguing your own personal beliefs. I'm arguing facts regarding those beliefs. I'm not trying to change your mind on anything.

But overall, you must accept it, but you don't have to like it. That's the point. People also didn't like black folks using their precious white folks water fountains at one time for the same reason they didn't agree black people should be treated as humans. It's just another step toward eliminating the need to initially judge someone on things of which aren't the choice of that person. No one's asking you to go out and shake the hand of every LGBT community member you know. However, respecting their rights is definitely something you should be doing.

 

I'd never heard of this one before & I Just check with my husband & it is wrong!!

 

Being fixed & too old & having 5 kids already, this would not be an issue for me. My issue would be this: I have never met a FTM (female-to-male) transgendered person, so I have no idea how I would feel about it, I have no basis of comparison. I have 2 friends who are MTF transgendered & I know that dating & relationships are a hug difficulty for them. From documentaries & stuff I have read about trans men, I would imagine that for them it is ever more difficult. But I don't actually know that.

Moot in any case, since I am currently married.

 

respecting the rights of others i have no quarrel with, basically because im an "ill do me and you do you" person. BUT when you want to have your rights respected you must also do the same in return. marriage is a right, loving who you want to is a right,being the person you want to be is a right. Nobody is arguing that a man cant feel like a woman if he pleases too or dress as a woman if thats how he feels comfortable, they are arguing what goes too far.

Some things just go too far and for us to live together peacefully there does need to be limitations in public life, just because you want it doesnt mean you should get it. This goes well beyond the simple use of a bathroom, like i said that was just an example. Now in California they want to legislate that if a boy who feels like a woman can compete in a REAL womans sport. How unfair is that for a girl who lost a roster spot because she wasnt as athletic enough to win it from a boy? At the same time a girl who feels like she is a boy cant get a roster spot because of the same issue, you guys are gonna scream "GAH GAH GAH DISCRIMINATION" because the he/she didnt make the boys varsity squad, no matter if she isnt good enough.

And what about the girls softball situation? how is it fair that one high school girls team has 1 or even 2 boys on their team and they end up dominating because of that because another school isnt loaded with male talent? you call that fair play? i sure as hell dont. Now dont pull the sexist card on me, im speaking reality here.

thats just another issue with what legislation like this is going to bring upon people.

my question is, where is your limits on this because i dont see very much at all.

 

Okay, here's the thing. The limit is post op and I don't think that's being unreasonable. Maybe that's where we got our wires crossed, at mid and pre-op? I thought those examples were flimsy, but I get your point.

So, post op? Cause that's not a transgender if they're just playing dress up. That's transvestite. And maybe that was what upset you before.

Back to OP, if they were able to get some really good surgery and I never knew about it, yup. However, being a dude who is not a fan of fake breasts, no matter how good they look and whether I knew it or not, that might be a deal breaker regardless!

 

The best and most obvious way to tell is whether or not it has an adam's apple (don't know the anatomical term), but it's that knot-like thing which protrudes from the throat a little bit). If it's got one of those, it's a man. Some females, but it's extremely rare (Ann Coulter for example), have adam's apples, however.

 

yes now we agree on something.

ah ha yes see we are getting somewhere, and perhaps i do have my wires crossed. BUT at the same time so do california politicians because they are allowing anyone who "feels" like they are the opposite sex to do the things i mentioned before. now if a grown man went through and got his surgery to become a woman then well, yeah i wouldnt have much room to speak if he,now cosmetically a she, went to the womens bathroom. Dont know how far that goes with a woman getting a penis attached though lol. but in any case then i couldnt say much if she as well had the cosmetic surgery to be a man like Chaz Bono.

still though i would be against male transgenders competing in womens sports after a certain age considering the competition change and after all, just because the man got his penis cut off doesnt mean he wont develop the physical strength and size of a man.

well i bet you wouldnt if you saw an adams apple lol. but anyways i have seen some true transgenders and some of them would be pretty unnoticeable if you didnt already know they were once a man. and i wont lie some of them did look very nice and crazy convincing. but at the same time if a transgender did try to pick a person up wouldnt be for the better of both parties that she tell the truth of who she once was?

and ive never seen the product of a vaginoplasty, is it totally identical to a real womans vagina?

 

a lot of men don't have prominent adams apples...fingers don't work either...

it's leg proportion that works best...women generally have a longer femur in relation to the tibia, if the femur and tibia appear to be the same length it's likely a man...

 

Jenna Talackaova -if you didn't know she was born a male how would you know?...she began hormone treatment early before male features appeared...

 

Either way, you just admitted that you still do things because of indoctrination. Personally, I don't plan on celebrating Christmas when I grow up.

Couldn't ask for anything else.

That's part of LGBT rights, it's their right to do things in public without fear. It's like saying "I'm all for black rights, just keep them away from me at the restaurant."

Sure no man, but someone who identifies themselves as a women is different from a man. They're going in there to do their own their own business. You won't know it's a man or a women going in the stall next to you.

Don't know where I said that. They should just learn about them, no one is forcing them to accept them. The early they're exposed to it, the more it just seems like it's a part of this world, and not some strange thing that makes no sense.

 

My right index finger is longer than my right ring finger.

My left index finger is shorter than my left ring finger.

Clearly, I must be a hermaphrodite.

 

Not my cup of tea... but knock yourself out!