Would you date a Transgender?

I don;t beleive in Adam and Eve- I am an athiest. I think the book of genesis is utter nonsense.

because marriage is primarily a contract. YOU don;t get to define my marriage. You can define your own as you like

To you. I find lots of things repulsive.

Right. I suppose God heals medical conditions too.

 

That's your prerogative. You said that marriage isn't a religious institution. I pointed to something that's 6,000 years old which suggests otherwise. Whether you think the book of Genesis is utter nonsense or not, is of no consequence.

Sure, it's a contract between two people. Marriage is already defined and it already has a history. You're the one trying to redefine it.

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

 

What does Justin Bieber have anything to do with somebody being transgender?

 

If you believe you are Justin Bieber, then are you not trans-identity? That was my whole point. There is zero logical reason to stop at gender. If physical makeup does not determine gender, then neither should it determine a myriad of other things. To claim otherwise is to cherry-pick when to use facts and when to use feelings.

 

You're not a young earth creationist I hope - I'm not an atheist, but young earth creationism is absurd, and borders on being a cult, and the events in the Bible are obviously not literal - I'm not sure when marriage began, but the "earth is 6,000 year old" nonsense really needs to stop, it's doing more to destroy Christianity than Richard Dawkins.

 

Okay, but I don't get what you're trying to say. Are you trying to say that transgenderism is immoral? If not, then please elaborate on what you're trying to say.

 

It's a disorder and shouldn't be promoted as a normal lifestyle, anymore than anorexia or other identity disorders

 

Calling it a disorder is wrong. While I believe that transgenderism is sinful according to my religion, it really bothers me whenever people make fun of gays and transgendered people.

 

That's not making 'fun' of it - that's making a serious statement - a person who has an urge to cut off their genitals and pretend to be the other sex has a serious disorder of the mind - they need therapy, or medications, or something - encouraging them to "play along" with their delusions is doing more harm to them

 

Where do you draw the line between making a serious statement and making fun of somebody?

 

You have no evidence of that

We are extending it. Remeber how in the US Black people used to NOT be citizens then citisenship was not refdeined it was extended. We extending marraige.

The people who claim they can cure homosexuality think they can do it with Prayer.

 

Black people are not gays or lesbians, natural law have been always about male and female, equality to all human gays are males and lesbians are females. Transgender are human creation not natures'.

People have tried to cure homosexuality through the laboratories by medically manipulating their physical appearances of male to look like females and females to look like males and through enacting unnatural laws is resulting in an unbalance growth of human nature.

According to Patrick Lee
"Natural Law", presents a theory of natural law and explains why it is, in fact, a "law", and unchangeable. we can know the basic principles of natural law through the use of our reason alone without relying on Divine Revelation. We are bound by natural moral law irrespective of prevailing civil or Church laws.

 

somewhere between 4 and 10% of Black people are gay,lesbian or Bisexual

That has never been proposed as a cure for homosexuality

Why would we give a sh1t what a specificallY actholic philosopher at a Franciscan university has to say on any matter if we are not Christians?

 

The Bible was written 6,000yrs ago... Try to stay with me.

 

Suggesting that someone that thinks they're a man, when they're a woman, or vice versa, has a mental disorder is merely stating a fact. It's not normal, and prior to the mid-80s it was characterized as a mental disorder. This is where the Bieber metaphor comes into play. If you thought you were Justin Bieber, but you're not... then you're delusional and probably have some kind of mental disorder.

I fail to see how that's mocking or making fun of someone.

 

Evidence of what? The age of the Torah/Old Testament?

Slaves used to not be citizens, not black people. There were free blacks prior to the emancipation or Civil War. There were free blacks before, during and after slavery. Hell, the first slave owner was black.

You've already changed the definition of marriage. Now it states: "2. a) the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc.
b)a similar institution involving partners of the same gender, as in gay marriage; same-sex marriage ."

You're redefining it to accommodate a mental disorder.

That's incorrect. There's some chemical imbalance in the brain, which occurs with many mental disorders. Why are only some of them treatable, but homosexuality isn't?

 

I think there's a clear difference to pretending to actually be someone and looking like someone.

 

Yes indeed just like there are gays, lesbians in every human race but their rights to vote, to work, to pension, to marry as husband and wife and to have children has never been violated.

No, laboratories has never been official proposed or sanction as a cure to homosexuality it has been use as a means to manipulate ones physical appearance and gender in order ti meet the demands of homosexuality to be what they are not.

If does not matter if one is Christian or not the natural law still dictates that it is wrong and unnatural to medically altered once sexuality since the dawn of time before religion even came about the natural law is male and female nature can not change that and for humans to do that will equate to climate change in this case natural alterations that would have a negative effect on the balance of nature.

 

It's definitely better than the situation in which a bearded, hairy muscular man is dating another bearded, hairy muscular man.

It is definitely less disgusting than seeing a bearded, hairy muscular man "marrying" another bearded, hairy muscular man, and seeing them kissing and wrestling in public after "marriage".

 

No it wasn't. How on earth can it have been written 6000 years ago? The New testament was written in the 1st century ad or the beginning of the second century.


As for the old testament

The only even remotely datable events in the Bible are of the monarchic period in Palestine which dates from the 11th century BC and there are continous events from 1 kings onwards that can be linked to actual events and yet you claim that it was alll written down 3000 years before it actually happened.

Love to hear how you explain this one.

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You speak about ''natural law'' as if it was tangible fact rather than a theory by Christian Theologian Thomas Aquinas.

Who made this 'natural law'?

 

So if something is beleived to be true in history then we should carry on beleiving it whatever new evidence might arise?

I take it you think slavery should still be legal and that mental illness is actually caused be demonic possession.

 

Alzheimers and Parkinsons aren;t treatable either. Why do you think that is?

Homsexuality is most likley caused by a chamical imbalnce in the womb which causes a shrunken Hypothalamus. Post mortem studies show this stunted hypothalmus is prevalent in homosexual men. It is certainly likeley that if enough money was put into research then we could discover if a fetus had this issue and terminate the preganancy but since We don;t care and you object to abortion then it isn't going to happen.

By the time the fetus has reached the third tremester all the damage has been done. It is quite possible that in the future that the damage will be anticipatable and a hormone flush proactievly applied ad perhaps your churches can fund it and make it available as an option to parents who definitely don't want a gay child. It just isn;t available now.

 

Slavery is not homosexual, why does same sex advocates kept relating homosexuality with slavery are they implying that slaves are homosexuals?

 

mutations are absolutely necessary for evolution, the evolutionary process is not an error, it's astoundingly efficient...your selective social interpretation of "mutation" is what's in ERROR...

your personal bigotry and hatred blinds you to such an extent you're incapable of comprehending the bigger anthropological/evolutionary picture...

 

who said it needed curing?...homosexuals aren't looking to change their appearance they like being men and lesbians like being women, transgenders are a completely different thing...

what natural law is that, homosexual behaviour is found in nature and it's beneficial to the species?...so if someone is born with a physical deformity your natural law claims we can't use medical knowledge to correct the deformity?... some organisms can grow a new limb, some change sex why shouldn't humans be allowed to do the same?

get serious, there is no rush for general humanity to change their sexuality, the number of homosexuals and lesbians in society is constant it doesn't change and neither does the even smaller number of transgenders...surgical assistance for transgenders will zero effect on the balance on nature...