Would you feel safer...

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by UntilNextTime, Jul 13, 2023.

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What do you think is the premise of disarming a nation, safety, or control? Choose wisely.

  1. Safety

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  2. Control

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  3. Something more nefarious

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  4. I am Clueless

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  1. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    Oooh! I did it! - check back I amended my post Snopes been there and debunked that
     
  2. Bowerbird

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    I’ll wait meantime I won’t hold my breath but feel free to do so
     
  3. UntilNextTime

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    So you're using their perspective, what's yours, oops you haven't been given one yet, right?
     
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    So you are unaware that people in the US vote. Got it.
     
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  6. UntilNextTime

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    Fact-checking, that's not research. Obviously, you forgot who and what fact-checking is all about.
     
  7. UntilNextTime

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    I'm aware that people vote, but the winners are always already chosen. You knew that right, oops, no, you didn't.

    Voting is a false sense of voicing your opinion.
     
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    well it works the way you want it to work-it harasses honest gun owners and allows scumbag politicians to pander to stupid people who want SOMETHING DONE. it is exactly the sort of "solution" we expect from people who are anti gun
     
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    ??????
     
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    “Harasses”. Interesting term for transitory inconvenience
     
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    Turkey =
    So Snopes is going against the big Wiki hey?

    Russia =
    Did Snopes miss this one, is this why Snopes is your go-to source of info?

    Germany =
    Now we all know what happened to those Jews, don't we?
    Did you look up Snopes for this?

    and on and on we go...
     
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    So…… why should I bother “fact checking “ YOUR twaddle when you have not done so?
     
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  13. UntilNextTime

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    Like most of what goes on.
     
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    You already have.

    Seems like you do go to "all the trouble" to do so.
     
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    I will tackle these one at a time - comparing them to your original claim
    Implying that “disarmament” in and of itself caused genocide

    Now let us look at your quote from Wiki

    In other words they did not disarm the population merely those serving in the army plus it is clear that this was a prolonged program that had multiple interventions and actions
     
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    Let's review:
    • The Southern US/Mexico Border is not that deadly overall unless you count the interior of the country like in the Mexican states of Senosa and others, even Mexico City, but again, has nothing to do with border policy, now does it.
    • Shipping illegals, you mean like Gov. Abbott and Ron DeSantis. When it comes to the federal government "shipping them," they are still in custody just like federal prisoners are routinely shipped from one federal prison to another.
    • Holding what kids in trans radicalization. Bud, most of what Trans issues are is a between a parent, the kid, and the doctor. The State governments of Florida and other conservative states want to interfere in that relationship at any and all costs. Public schools have to accommodate everyone and make everyone feel welcome, including trans kids. Don't like it, take your kids out and go to a charter school, which is public, or private school, or even homeschooled. The last two options have to come out of your own pocket. The first option may mean a longer transportation to take your kid there since they don't use school buses generally.
    • Tapping the emergency petroleum reserves when a crisis was occuring like every other president since Nixon has done?
    • Child Castration such as, oh I don't know, male circumcision, which the US estimates that 70% of boys have when they are an infant?
    • Inflation was not done by the federal government. This has been explained over and over and over and over. It was basically three policies: the Fed's quantitative easing that started from 2019 to 2022, Fed's near Zero interest rate from 2019 to 2022, and global supply chain issues due do Covid in foreign countries.
    • What is abortion radicalization? All Biden did was support Roe v Wade and if you ever read the opinion, at each trimester, there were ever-increasing restrictions. Now that is no longer an option because the Dobbs had made it a state issue, 10 states have very restrictive abortion policies with no exceptions and/or at 6 weeks or less. Most women don't know they are pregnant until at 8 weeks to 10 weeks, and sometimes a little later.
    • Children's food insecurity is a major problem in this country, and the GOP has been the main roadblock that has pretty much don't want federal help in this area. Try again.
    • Presidential Approvals are a spot, but Biden's is much better than Trump and DeSantis as a whole. Try again.
    • You mean like MTG and the Freedom Caucus who want to defund the FBI and every other federal law enforcement agency, especially the ATF, IRS Criminal Investigation, and others? Some Dems have proposed this at the local level but none of that came to fruition.
    • No, that is called legislation and the legislative process as was the case with the first assault ban under Reagan.
     
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    So what part don't you understand regarding

    So if you're a soldier in a labour camp, you're not soldiering, so you're not a soldier, are you? Yet they were disarmed and executed.

    Interesting you don't throw stones at Germany?
     
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    A logical fallacy meme.

    Guns are designed to do one thing: to kill. That is it.

    Pencils are designed to do one thing, to allow marking on paper, that is it.
     
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    you don't own guns so I reject your claims. and we know people like you want far more than "transitory inconvenience".
     
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    What goalposts? Or do you mean progress and technology?
     
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    when you post a lie like that, no one who understands firearms can ever take anything you say about firearms seriously.
     
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    Wasn't that an assault weapons ban? The fact that Australians don't see the need to have a firearm in most cases is by personal choice, not politics IMO. But then again, I wonder who will drink more: An Aussie or an Irishman? Inquiring Minds want to know LOL
     
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    What lie was that? Guns have only one purpose, to kill. What I did not say is who, what, when, where, why, and to what extent, did i?

    For pencils, what lie was that. Their only purpose is to be used to write on paper. I never said who, what, when, why, where, and to what extent, did I?
     
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    And how was that listed in your argument or your examples? Yes I know, but it also has nothing to do with you OP, now did it?

    I don't think you have great knowledge with history. With the Ottoman Empire, it had to do with the 1920 Treaty, the breakup of the Ottoman Empire, and one person named Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. Make fun of him in Turkey and see what will happen. For the rest, that is also history and that should be discussed in another thread in more detal.

    Nothing in the OP has anything to do with the American people in particular. This is what we call "changing the goalposts" when your original argument fails.
     
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    A lot of people don't own guns in America, but that is a personal choice. A lot of people in Australia don't own guns, and that too is a personal choice. And yes, there are Australians who do own guns, for hunting specifically. And again that is their personal choice. But that has nothing to do with rejecting claims. It just means you don't have an argument against Bowerbird's argument and that says a lot, for all the wrong reasons that is.
     

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