Would you feel safer...

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by UntilNextTime, Jul 13, 2023.

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What do you think is the premise of disarming a nation, safety, or control? Choose wisely.

  1. Safety

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  2. Control

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  3. Something more nefarious

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  4. I am Clueless

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  1. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    Yes. Sorry. It was a typo.
     
  2. UntilNextTime

    UntilNextTime Well-Known Member

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    Venezuela is a Case Study of What Can Happen to a Disarmed Population
    Disarmed Countries – What Do they Look Like?
    Pictures of people who were disarmed by their government and how a gun-free utopia manifested for them.
     
  3. UntilNextTime

    UntilNextTime Well-Known Member

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    So what do you want to know/learn specifically then?
     
  4. Jolly Penguin

    Jolly Penguin Well-Known Member

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    If gun control correlates with less or more gun violence. Even better, if it causes the difference (but that may not be possible to know).
     
  5. ECA

    ECA Well-Known Member

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    My Dem party? Hahaha. You’re quite confused…let me help set you straight. The following were posted to you already.
    Do you need me to explain the significance of the two posts above???
     
  6. UntilNextTime

    UntilNextTime Well-Known Member

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    Consider this, if you were a criminal with the intent to harm for whatever your purpose/gain, would you choose a soft unarmed target or one that can put up a fight? So if a crook has a gun and every citizen had one, do you think there'd be more or less crime?



    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/CtEATnN1zns

    A scenario (hypothetical), that I came across a while ago where a criminal went into a bank that was using a firearm to rob the bank and the patrons within. He demanded everyone get on the ground and give him the wallets/purses jewelry and the cash from the tellers. This was scenario #1 where no one but the robber had a firearm.
    Scenario #2 –– Same situation except when the robber made his demands, everyone pulled out their guns and told the robber that he gets on the ground.
     
  7. UntilNextTime

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    So why the dumb responses?
     
  8. Jolly Penguin

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    Scenario 3. Multiple robbers come in shooting, and get the jump on the occupants of the bank, killing everyone they see because they are all armed and a threat to the robbers.
     
  9. Just A Man

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    Bingo!!!
     
  10. ECA

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    My responses were a result of your silly claims. Again, I especially love the one about letting babies go hungry. You really blew any credibility with that one.
     
  11. UntilNextTime

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    Yes, but that defeats the purpose of the situation.
     
  12. UntilNextTime

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    It's amazing you don't take pot shots at any of the other 11 points, so they must be legit then, hey? Well, there you go then.
     
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    Not really. I’m not going to spend my time going back and forth over the entire list. I just thought I’d highlight the most outrageously foolish one.
     
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    So how do you define "disarming a nation?" The examples you are all those nations were dictatorships, and had no democratic process. However, you lack context with your examples. Here is some additional info for you:
    1. Turkey, as you claim, was officially known as the Ottoman Empire, and was at war with Coalition forces, British Empire, France, and Russia, and chose the Axis. A famous battle, called Gilliopili is well known. The Armenians were in revolt against the Empire and thus took the necessary steps to bring them back in control. They were viewed as criminals, revolutionaries, etc. And monarchies, especially the Ottoman Empire were absolute.
    2. Russia from 1929 to 1992 was a dictatorship under communist rule. The 20 million mostly died due to starvation, Stalin destroying all dissent from within, and so forth.
    3. China was controlled by the KMT, China, and Japan in 1935. There was no disarmament at that time by the CMT and Mao's Communist Party since they were at war with Japan and Japan is the one who pretty much disarmed Chinese citizens in occupied territories and murdered some 20 million Chinese Citizens. When Japan lost WW2, the KMT and the Mao's Communist Party went to war and Mao's party eventually won. Both sides committed atrocities, and both were two peas in the same pod. Chaing Kai Chek wanted to be the Next Emperor of China eventually, but had to settle with Formosa, aka Taiwan when he lost the civil war from 1946 to 1949.
    4. The Khmer Rouge took over Cambodia and started a great massacre of its citizens. Prior to that, they really did not have high access to firearms at all since it was mostly a rural society ruled by an absolute dictatorship called the Khumer Republic and a civil war ensued. The result of that civil war was the Khmer Rouge where the Killing Fields and one person named Dith Pran became an activist and lived in NYC until his death.
    5. Guatemala was virtually in a civil war from 1996. The current government at that time was a right-wing paramilitary government sponsored by Honduras since the 1950s. thus the government did not disarm anyone. there was a peasant army and the government eventually had a massacre called the Panzo's Massacre and others among German landowners who supported the Right Wing Paramilitary government, the people's army, and other groups.
    6. Uganda in 1971 was ruled by Idi Amin, a ruthless dictator who vowed war against the West, supported by communist Russia, and Israel. Again, they were originally a French Colonial colony, declared independence in 1961, had a civil war, and Idi Amin was eventually installed as ruler, absolute ruler.
    Thus none of your examples go to the question at hand and none of the options go to the question at hand.
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    wrong-we add guns-crime goes down
    the penal colony bans guns, crime goes up

    should tell something to the clowns who think guns should be banned
     
  17. UntilNextTime

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    Australia “disarmed “ its citizens in 1996 and…… hang on! We’re still here

    BTW that is a nice list of bulltwang you have there - did you get this from the NRA?

    ooopsie! Did some googling - this pile of steaming has been on the net since 2018. Snopes grades it as mostly false

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/little-gun-history/
     
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    Sorry, just because something doesn't work 100% doesn't mean it doesn't work.
     
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  20. UntilNextTime

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    Did you know that the US is actually a constitutional republic?

    So why and how did Democracy come into it?
    Regardless of the fact that these nations from history disarmed and massacred the people because they were governed by dictators, the idea is that disarmed people have no means of defence against tyrannical governments.

    Yes, it does. The perception of US people that aren't awake to the fact that the current admin is leading the country down a dark path. How's it going over in the US since the poster child for dementia took hold of the steering wheel?
     
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    People still have access to bolt-action rifles. Military-style/ semi-auto ones were banned, or did you miss that part? That's why we're still here.
     
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    Look it up. It's called research, do you know how to do it, of course not, just accept the official BS narrative the ABC, 7, 9 and 10 spew out and not question it.
     
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    Not according to the hoplophiles on this board - to them our government is a dictatorship
     
  25. UntilNextTime

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    And the WP or Reuters will pick that up. Sorry, they have BS to churn out.
     

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