Would YOU let the 50 Orlando gays into heaven?

Cheapest cop out ever. The word love doesn't mean lust or I can marry them. I love my mom, my dad, my siblings, my dog (who I had to give away when we moved down here), etc. but that doesn't mean I can marry them. I even love you but as a human being. Not to sound mushy or anything.

Jesus is God and in Leviticus he said that homosexuality is an abomination. And he doesn't change. Plus paul wrote in Romans about the sin of homosexuality. Jesus also failed to mention that he was against bestiality. Does that mean we can do it? Is your entire religion based soley on the words of Jesus alone. There are other books in the Bible.

I challenge you to find a verse where Jesus condemned incest.

 

Who are you calling a "messenger"? Surely you're not calling the shooter a mere messenger. Muhammed was also not a mere messenger, having murdered plenty of people himself as well. And as for Christians "being so hateful that they send innocent people to brutal savage torture", I am surely not aware of Christians torturing anyone. If anything, THEY are the messengers that warn of that torture. And it is them that you choose to condemn, so I would say that you have just exposed your own hypocrisy.

I know.

 

Since people don't have sex with God, obviously "love one another like you love God" is not speaking about sexuality.

 

Titus 1:14 = https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Titus 1:14

 

It not calling the Bible that it was calling the Pharisees fables and commandments. The Ten Commandments are God's commandments, not the Jews who is only one tribe anyway and they weren't called that until they were captured by the Babylonians I believe.

 

*accepted

Also, I've heard bad things about faith without works.

 

I would leave that decision up to God. It's not my place to judge whether or not they'll go to Heaven. If they were not in a state of mortal sin when they died then they'll eventually be in Heaven if they aren't already there. Some of them may have to spend time in Purgatory first. If they were in a state of mortal sin when they died then they are already in Hell.

 

The Persian Zoroastrians originally came up with the idea of purgatory.

According to the biblical fairy tale hell is temporary. Even Jesus spent time in hell. The good news is that everyone makes bail on Judgment Day. After that, if you're one of the members of the twelve tribes of Israel, you might get into the golden cube. If not then you'll get tossed into the lake of fire, which isn't hell. So you never have to worry about going back to hell. The lake of fire is much worse so you might wish that you were back in hell.

Now if you're a muslim you might get tossed into hell after Judgment Day. That's sometime to be avoided at all costs since the muslim hell is a thousand times worse than the Christians' lake of fire.

With the Zoroastrians an angel decides if the dearly recently departed goes to heaven or hell. But his decision is temporary, Everyone has to face the judge on Judgment Day and the judge makes the final decision. So the angel might have sent you to heaven but the judge could do a reversal and send you to hell and vice versa.

It sounds like most of your ideas come from the Zoroastrians. The bad news is that they don't do converts. You have to be born into the religion.

It's easy to get all of the religious ideas mixed up into something that appeals to you but all of the ideas are imaginary and have no basis whatsoever in reality.

What will happen is that when you die you will quickly be forgotten unless you did something noteworthy while alive. Even then people who may talk about you will never know who you really were. You will cease to exist and be forgotten, never to return in any form. Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=ecclesiastes 9:5-6&version=CEB;NLV;CEV;MEV;NET

 

So Jesus is like the thought-police. That's terrible.

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I am the messenger....the messenger that Jesus is morally warped.
You can't condemn Jesus/Christians for being so hateful that they send innocent people (gays) to brutal savage torture for being the way "god" made them, but you CAN condemn the mere messenger.

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Jesus has created followers who can't make moral decisions. That's sad. Jesus has failed as a moral teacher if his followers can't even make moral decisions. It's IMMORAL to send gays to brutal torture like Jesus and pals have in their book (the Bible).

 

Messengers bring news. The fact that you are obsessed with bashing Christians is news to no one.

Since you are just going to copy/paste that, I'll copy/paste the response I've already given. "I am surely not aware of Christians torturing anyone".

 

One must believe in Jesus. They must confess with their mouth, that He walked this earth, died for our sins, defeated death and rose the third day. They must know Jesus, and Jesus must know them. They must ask forgiveness for their sins, and actually mean it, thus a return to the sin is not asking. Anything can be forgiven, so long as it is seen in ones heart, that they are seeking forgiveness. That's why we are told to be ready, because we never know when we are going to die. Evil is not welcome in the kingdom. To know if any of the Orlando victims went to the kingdom is only known by Jesus. To say if I would allow them, I must first know them. I don't know them so I cannot say either way. If I was to guess, probably not, and I say that not as if they were all gay, but as if Jesus doesn't know them. For even as a believer I do not know if I will go, I know I don't deserve to.

 

I'm an atheist and I think Jesus was a fairly good role model and teacher, when you subtract anything he said about believing in God and the stuff that revolves around worship. The morals he espoused and the ways in which to treat people were for the most part good. I wish all Christians would actually take his teachings to heart. If they did so, we wouldn't have religious groups that promote hate and intolerance. We wouldn't have groups like WBC, who even regular Christians find objectionable.

If only modern day Christianity was actually about Christ more often.

 

Jesus or God does not send anybody to hell. The individual chooses it. God will never abandoned any of His children, it is we that abandoned Him.

 

Why should we? In the bible, Jesus comes to bring a sword, right? Also, hell isn't mentioned at all in the old testament, till Jesus came along with his daisy chain nonsense, his soft words of love and acceptance, his sword and his child cowing terrifying stories of burning in hell.

So no, no point in listening to the ravings of a bronze age middle eastern psychopath.

 

And that is your choice. We all have choices, there are consequences to those choices. If it is in your heart that you know of God's existence (regardless of what you tell people), and yet still deny Him or make excuses. Well I am sure you know what I'm getting at.

 

But, you'll vote for Hillary, won't you?

 

Nope. She's a lying criminal scumbag. Sorry, not my bag. Guess I won't vote for either Trump or Hillary.

 

Well, I appreciate your honesty. So then, who you voting for, knowing that you're throwing your vote away, rather than exercise your influence, if only to select the least bad of the two who have a chance?

 

Thanks for the spell check. And of course faith without works is dead but works comes after faith.

 

Well, God is omniscient but what does that have to do with my post?

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You DO realize that Leviticus was a book written for the Levites, who happened to be the priests of Israel. It's a manual for Jewish priests, not Christians.

 

Once again, you do not present the Bible correctly.

The New Testament does not say people who do not sin will be allowed into Heaven, it says people who accept Jesus will enter Heaven. Will some people who are homosexual be in Heaven? Yes.

God loves all people, and He wants all people to go to Heaven which is why Jesus was here. God made the path to Heaven available to you, you know the way and its your choice. If you reject that path, its not God's fault. The door to Heaven is open, its up to you to walk through it, its not up to God to pull you through it kicking and screaming.

And really, would you be happy in Heaven, surrounded by all those "religious fanatics" you spend so much time denigrating? I suspect at first you would try to fit in, but after a while you would behave just like you do here, questioning God, doubting, start to misbehave, you would come to resent being told to "go to church" every day I suspect if you reject the earthly body of Christ - the Church - then you will reject the Heavenly body of Christ. Maybe that's the purpose of this earthly test, maybe that's what is meant by separating the wheat from the chaff. Just speculating, nobody knows these answers.

 

No it's for everybody. You have to read it in context. Did it say that the priest shouldn't commit homosexual acts or did it say man shall not commit homosexual acts? Besides in Romans it speaks against homosexuality too. There is no getting out of homosexuality being a sin.

 

If I read Leviticus in context, I would understand that it is the manual for Jewish priests. And, the reason it was called an "abomination" is that you are supposed to be in the Temple in the service of God, not messing around the other priests.

Incidentally, if homosexuality is a sin, why is it that it's never referred specifically as such? There's not any Commandment that says "thou shalt not be gay".

 

This kind of thinking needs to stop. It is why we are stuck with this two-party crap.