Would YOU let the 50 Orlando gays into heaven?

Wrong again.

The Bible does not say the earth is 6,000 years old, that's an assumption by people who add up lifespans.

And how do you know the earth is not 6,000 years old? Prove God did not create an earth in situ?

 

Please learn to read.

The Bible is not confusing to those who read it. The key part is "those who read it".

Asking a question about any historical literature to a bunch of people who have not read the book will obviously result in all kinds of odd answers.

 

Because I have a brain, and I use it.

The Mesopotamians created glue 7000 years ago, so your whole life is a delusion (if you believe the Bible - that a magic man in the sky controls most things, and created the world, and that your "soul" (there is no such thing) will magically survive your death.) Time to wake up and smell the science, like I did (former Christian here.)

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So what DOES that verse mean? ( "a rich man...camel...eye of a needle" ) Please enlighten us.

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So what do the lifespans from Adam to Jesus add up to? I say about 4000 years. And tell us the average age of the people that you are using. Ready, go!
If you don't answer the question (and I know you won't), then you lose the debate.

 

Still on the contradictions? You have to actually read and understand the Bible in order to identify the contradictions (and there are some), and your list fails once again. And so...

You are wrong yet again.

I looked at the second item in your link since it attracted my attention:

456. Was Abraham justified by faith or works?

He was justified by faith - For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory. Romans 4:2
He was justified by works - Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? James 2:21

Taking a single sentence out of an entire discussion dealing with faith & works, and taking a single question out of another entire discussion dealing with faith & works, and then pretending they contradict each other. Dishonest.

Both Romans and James are arguing that a person is saved by faith, including Abraham, but faith is demonstrated in works.

Please learn to read and not just cut and paste.

 

I have to realize the intellectual level of the religious people that I debate: they believe that a man DID live inside a big fish for 3 days......which is equally likely to have happened as, say, for orcs and hobbits to actually be real. Heck, at least LOTR has an author, whereas the Bible has no author, as such.

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Right after you prove that it was not ZEUS who created it, and right after you prove that BIGFOOT did not create it.

 

Does that book hold validity, prophecies that have taken place, that are taking place, and will take place? No it does not. Does that book have such meaningful and wise wording, that it is applicable and observable in life? How can any book compare to the most read, most sold book ever written? It cannot, because there is one thing that the Bible has that no other book does. God's word, or the truth. FreedomSeeker- only the truth will set you free.
Everything else is a deception, an illusion.

Anybody that has gone against the word of God or His law's, should not be able to kill anybody for any reason. And that is what Jesus told us. Man does not have it in his heart to forgive certain sins, or breaking of God's laws. Such as a family member being raped or killed. Most men will seek or want revenge, forgiveness is not even a thought, rather the final look or last word of the loved one lost. A constant rage in visualizing such an incident. This is man, this is how we are influenced by the powers of darkness. We cannot even begin to understand our world/realm, we merely find false ways to do so. Love and evil is within us, it comes not from afar but from within us. "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." -Jesus-

For you to put evil as good and good as evil, or light for darkness and darkness for light, or sweet for bitter and bitter for sweet. Is a deception thrown upon you from the fallen one. It is the spirit in which we wrestle against. Both individually and collectively. It would seem right now that all of us are losing that battle. I do not claim to better than anybody. Rather I might be worse, knowing what I know and still making certain choices, is different than one who does not know (God) and making certain choices. Those who have a higher understanding of God, will be held to a higher standard. Same with those of high rankings (government), they also will be held at a higher standard by God.

 

Yes we can, and I apologize if I have done so to you. And if I have, will you forgive me? As opposed to childish like I said, I try and usually do say, "acting childish". Or acting a fool. I try to never put anybody down, but again we all fall short of perfection.

God can call us those, because to Him we are.

 

You're actually BETTER than Jesus, because if it was up to YOU, you'd let you own mother into heaven if she converted to, say, Buddhism. But these verses show that Jesus is not as caring, not as moral, not as loving, as you are:
John 14:6, Acts 4:12, 2 Thessalonians 1:1-10, John 3:18, John 10:27-28, Matthew 10:32, Luke 12:8, John 5:2, John 3:36, John 6:47, Acts 16:31, Romans 10:9, Revelation 19:20, 20:10,14-15, 21:8.

 

JESUS called other people #2 through #7, so then we can both agree that Jesus was "wrong, and childish".
2. Blind [Matt. 23:16]
3. Fools [(Matt. 23:17]
4. Unclean [Matt. 23:27]
5. Serpents [Matt. 23:33]
6. Vipers [Matt. 23:33]

You "never put anybody down", so you seem like a more decent person than Jesus or I am. I admire you more than Jesus, as you'd never call someone a "serpent", or a "viper". Jesus could learn a lot from you. You obviously don't need Jesus.

 

See, you automatically assume that YOU are the one in the wrong, when JESUS was the one in the wrong. Believe in yourself more than you do. Jesus taught that you are a "sinner", and that you are "evil" or "wicked" (in the verse right before the Golden Rule.) So you've been programmed all your life to think that you are far below Jesus, when in actuality you are NOT. You are incredible, so start to realize that.
You don't need Jesus.

 

Read the Bible (yes, you have to actually read it).

An average life span is not correct.

The life span of a person was around 900 years originally, as you read through the Bible you can see the life span decreasing as the generations pass due to the impact of sin in the world (sin is not just a moral act, the condition of sin impacts the physical world as well as human actions). As the Bible states, eventually the typical life span became about 70 years, 80 for a strong man.


LOL, and I am not going to answer the question, not because its some sort of contest - the Truth is what it is no matter what you do - but because you need to do your own homework.

 

Of course I KNEW you wouldn't (I predicted that in my post, no less), because no Biblical answer you can give can stand up to scrutiny, and you don't want to look stupid. I don't blame you. But not being able to answer the question: please realize that Jesus has ill-equipped you for debate, ill-equipped you for the real world. You seem to live in a fantasy world where you can't even answer a simple question (age of the earth.) Jesus has failed you....miserably.
Science, however, will not fail you.

 

So, even being generous, the Bible says the earth is no more than, say, 30,000 to 40,000 years old (and that's really stretching it.) You do realize that scientists can show it's over 4 BILLION years old....so the Bible is off by the biggest amount that any book has almost ever been off, about almost anything! THAT'S the level of accuracy that your Bible gives you (i.e. no accuracy at all). It's a fairy tale - time to give up the fairy tale.

 

You know, if the Christians and Jesus are going to prevent the gays from getting into Heaven, I have a solution.

Convert to Buddhism. You can get to Nirvana instead.

 

Did you know that you can cure leprosy with a bird's blood?

 

Of course there is one very obvious answer - God created a working aged world. Can't refute that.

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Again, can you prove God did not create a working aged universe? Of course you cannot.

You should realize that you cannot judge the Bible in anyway until you actually read it. Go read it, then you will be qualified to pass judgment on it.

 

I've read it. I'm a former Christian, as well. The best way to get people to LEAVE Jesus is to get people to actually read the barbarity that passes as a "moral religion" in the Bible.

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The Bible is a lie.

 

They'd have to be let into Heaven because 75 female virgins ain't gonna cut it.

 

I'd make them get tested for AIDS first.

 

Wouldn't have helped. It's disputable that slavery was even really that much of an evil at the time, the institutions were so different from the modern conception. A slave actually had some protections even most Roman citizens didn't

And Christians did manumit their own slaves pretty regularly

 

Surely you can condemn Jesus and pals for not speaking up when their texts said it's ok to beat a slave to death (as long as the death drags out past about 48 hours)? Surely you can, right? Surely you won't poo-poo beating slaves to death.
http://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-home-page/slavery/

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It of course would have helped years later when the Bible was used to JUSTIFY slavery in the US south. Too bad Jesus isn't really divine, or he'd have known about that sometime in the last 2000 years and done the morally right thing and speak up about that - after all, he's the main character in said book.

 

Actually it's just two virgins and they are 90 feet tall. The others are women from hell. But they get a herd of cute boys.

 

It was illegal for slave owners to free their slaves in most places in America. Besides, the slave catchers would quickly snare any black person walking around and sell him or her into slavery within the hour.

 

I am more interested in the real than the imaginary. I do not believe that anyone is getting tortured after they are dead. That is imaginary. I DO believe that a follower of Muhammed (not Jesus) just murdered a bunch of people. That is real, and there is no reason to bring your hatred of Christians into it. Matter of fact, I'll bet that quite a few people who were murdered WERE Christians.

You compared yourself to Wolf Blitzer, saying "if Wolf Blitzer went live with a breaking story of Muslims nuking London that you'd chastize Wolf for that". Now, if Wolf were like you, the story would go like this: "Jesus hates you because he allowed nukes to exist". Anyone would be totally justified in saying, "What the hell, Blitzer? The story is about London getting nuked, not your damn pet peeve. Stop trying to pin an attack by Muslims on a guy whose been dead for 2000 years"

 

2.1 billion people being delusional, believing that magic is real, shunning science in favor of ancient superstitions, and having their lives run by fear is a huge concern. I'm concerned about their minds, not just whether they are actively killing people today or not.