Would you, or not, consider saying this prayer with me?

Question: can you say this prayer with me?
"Jesus, please find it in your heart to change your ways to allow moral hard-working family members of mine into heaven, and to avoid hell, even if they believe in science and don't believe that you are actually real".

I just said it now. Will you join me in saying it? If not, then could I humbly suggest that you work on your love and compassion, and please get back to us when you've risen to a high enough level of compassion to do that. Thanks.

Have a great day.

 

I'll say it...no harm repeating anything to a wall. Prayer is obviously useless BS or no Christians would ever need to worry about heaven or hell because they would never die.

 

What do you base your opinions of what Jesus would do on?

The concept of a COMPASSIONATE GOD, is unique in the deity kingdom. He alone stands as a savior that bends to your soul.

Stands with you against anger and fear. Helps you to overcome your human proclivities that are distrustful and reactionary.

Jesus is NOT your daddies, nor your mamma's OLD TESTAMENT.

Oh, I don't pray in public, unless it is in a mocking tone.

 

On the Bible. These are some of the verses - implying that your own mother, Guyzilla, is apparently such scum (I don't believe that, but Christians do!) that if she converts to Buddhism, say, 30 days before her death, that the savage barbarian known as "Hitler" will (wait, no, sorry, sorry, I meant "Jesus" - I get them confused) will see that she gets brutal savage torture for all the great things she's done - like raise you. Seems pretty unfair, doesn't it? Jesus seems like a monster, doesn't he.

PS in all fairness, Muslims believe something similar - they just hating different people than all Christians hate.

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I challenge you to agree with me that the OT should therefore be removed from a Christian's daily working-version of their Bible then. Ok?

 

Whoa, whoa, whoa there, tecoyah!! Prayer is INDEED helpful, because everybody knows that, all other things being equal, Christians statistically survive cancer way way way more than people of other (obviously false) religions do!! That's because Jesus is so loving and so caring and so real - he dutifully answers their "prayers" when they beg to him!! When you have the most powerful entity of all time on your side, you obviously will beat cancer way way way more than other people!! So start praying tecoyah, right now!!

 

"I challenge you to agree with me that the OT should therefore be removed from a Christian's daily working-version of their Bible then. Ok? "

Book burning is NOT the path to understanding. Nor is censorship wise. the Upanishads may not be your cup of tea, but it is WORTHY of analysis.

I apply Sun Tsu to my Counterstrike GAME. ?

 

Here I will QUOTE JESUS CHRIST, in opposition to your charge.

THIS IS HOW YOU ARE TO PRAY.

The Lord's Prayer
(traditional)




Our Father, which art in heaven,
Hallowed be thy Name.
Thy Kingdom come.
Thy will be done in earth,
As it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
As we forgive them that trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation,
But deliver us from evil.
For thine is the kingdom,
The power, and the glory,
For ever and ever.
Amen


Read more: http://lords-prayer-words.com/lord_traditional_king_james.html#ixzz4Kp5dYhYX

 

Not all religions believe that. Flawed poll

 

I believe he was directing it at Christians....who DO believe you go to Hell if you don't believe Jesus was real.

His first qualifier was wrong though. Only fundamentalist Christians don't believe in science.

 

I don't mean burn it, I mean just don't bring the offending part forward!

 

Wrong...Catholics believe those without faith do not go to Hell.

 

If non-fundamentalist Christians did believe in science, then they (unless they are insane) would not bring forward the geneologies of the Bible because those clearly show that the Universe is only thousands of years old from Adam to Jesus. Or maybe they just don't give a damn about the truth, I don't know. They don't give a damn about giving their children a book which may indirectly cause their children to kill themselves at some point (if they turn out gay and then can't live with the fact that their god hates them and that they will burn for eternity for the way their god made them - many become suicidal.)

 

The idea that science and faith are somehow at odds with each other is ludicrous. (Go borrow the movie Contact from the library...).

Anyone wishing to learn what Christianity has to say about topics such as heaven or hell should be directed to sites like Clarifying Christianity; it gives Biblical references to the answers provided, which is always vitally important.

 

You're not serious, are you!?
You need FAITH to believe that insane lunatics who teach that the world is around 6000 - 10,000 years old (the geneologies in the Bible add up to about that) actually know "where we go when we die." Seriously, think about that. Those idiots didn't even know "where the sun goes at night", so you're going to blindly trust that they know more about the universe than what the work of Nobel-prize winning scientists show? Insanity.

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You avoided the question in the OP. Can you muster up the courage to say the prayer in the OP with me? If not, then you might want to go home and rethink your life, morally.

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You avoided the question in the OP. Can you muster up the courage to say the prayer in the OP with me? If not, then you might want to go home and rethink your life, morally.

 

Why would an atheist be without love and compassion in refusing to communicate with an unreal being?

 

The question in the OP is flawed because the premise is that Jesus wants to send those without faith to Hell. This is not true for every religion. You might want to get some religious education for yourself before you start preaching to others about morality.

 

This is mostly a test for religious people. They are failing this test miserably. That's because their religions are not ethical.

 

There is a verse where Jesus says exactly this - he purposely talks in parables so non-believers don't understand and therefore end up in hell (not heaven.) Can you, like me, condemn Jesus for his pathetic lack of love for his fellow human being?

A Modern Secular Humanist, having Jesus' abilities, would go out of their way(!) to clearly communicate the message, so therefore fewer people would end up being tortured in "hell". Obviously Modern Secular Humanists are more moral, more loving, more compassionate than Jesus is. That is w/out question.

 

And YOU might want to pick a belief system where there is no "hell"/torture for those who simply think differently in the FIRST PLACE! Having a "hell" for torture is a sign of a barbaric belief system. It's like if you took a tour of, say, some charity group's headquarters, and during the tour the tour-guide said "ok, and now here as you can see is our group's torture chamber, and....." See how that works? Torture and love do not belong in the same belief system! Torturers, or those who allow torture, are barbarians. Jesus was the ultimate barbarian. His followers are no better. I left that barbaric cult - to find science, reason, and compassion as a Modern Secular Humanist.

 

Pope Francis says atheists can do good and go to heaven too!

LOS ANGELES, CA (Catholic Online) - The Holy Father is full of surprises, born of true and faithful humility. On Wednesday he declared that all people, not just Catholics, are redeemed through Jesus, even atheists.

http://www.catholic.org/news/hf/faith/story.php?id=51077

 

The Pope just said Atheists can go to heaven. Not all religions interpret the Bible the same way. Please provide the EXACT quote where Jesus said what you claim...

 

Thanks but I'll pass. I don't believe in heaven and I don't believe in Jesus son of god and I do not believe that prayer influences outcomes in any way. (although it seems to help some prayers)

OTOH, nice harmless human sentiment.

 

Revelation 19:20, 20:10,14-15, 21:8. John 14:6, Acts 4:12, 2 Thessalonians 1:1-10, John 3:18, John 10:27-28, Mat-thew 10:32, Luke 12:8, John 5:2, John 3:36, John 6:47, Acts 16:31, Romans 10:9.
So the Pope will now remove these verses from his Bible? Didn't think so....he's too much of an intellectual coward to do that.

PS why doesn't JESUS just come down and say that ("Atheists can go to heaven") - the coward? It's almost as if Jesus isn't real.

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Great answer, actually.

 

So they've finally removed the verses in the Bible that say non-Christians don't get into heaven!! Thank god for that!!

Wait - what(?), they have NOT done that? That lying sack of garbage (Pope.) I dare that intellectual coward to remove those verses and put his money where his mouth is. Intellectual. Coward.

 

Where is your exact quote of what you claim Jesus said? Still waiting.