would you rather live in a liberal socialist, or conservative facist country?

that's not socialism. try again. that is a legitimate function of any type of valid government, Same with police fire, postal and military functions.

 

what real rights are the alphabet crowd being denied?

 

So how would you change our current system of government so that your version of healthcare and your ethical standards was imposed on all citizens. And what does your version of healthcare have to do with inforcing separation of church and state?

 

Freedom to be themselves and their pursuit of happiness for starters.

 

how is that being taken away from them

 

Everyone has a right to healthcare. What that covers is up for debate the RIGHT to HEALTHCARE is a universal.

Explain why YOUR religion gets to choose which prayers are said in schools? Why not Muslim prayers to Allah 5 times a day? Why not Hindu or Buddist prayers?

Would you be fine with Congress opening with a prayer from the Church of Satan?

 

Xtofascists are DENYING them the HEALTHCARE they need and are paying for themselves.

 

how is the alphabet crowd being denied healthcare?

 

you have a right to the healthcare you can pay for. taxpayers should not have to pay for some of the nonsense the radicals want-such as surgery to turn a boy into a faux girl

 

Why is religion an obsession regarding this topic....do you think all atheist parents think like you do? Carry your same ethical standards? Have your same beliefs of when human life is should be disposed of and when it should be protected? I don't think so. I know this forum has Atheists/non religious that are conservative and don't share your "healthcare" definition.

The question I asked is what changes would you implement in your "ideal" governing system to make sure your "Healthcare " requirements and your version of ethical standards is easily implemented across society?

 

Then why are Xtofascists denying women and trans people their right to the healthcare they are paying for?

Xtofascist Disinformation Alert!

 

So you CANNOT explain why YOUR religion gets to choose which prayers are said in schools?

Atheists have NOTHING to do with the issue.

Healthcare is an UNENUMERATED RIGHT under the "WELFARE" clause therefore it is protected per the 9th Amendment.

 

https://www.hrc.org/press-releases/...lation-advancing-in-states-across-the-country

 

I suspect those descriptions are rather biased. "gender affirming care" means sex change operations of minors for example. why should the tax payers fund that? What does "laws allowing misgendering" of youth means? that dudes have to play against other boys rather than against real girls? Shouldn't parents decide what books their tax dollars supply to children?

the bias is obvious for example-in the article you cited it says this
HB6 would ban transgendered youth from participating in sports. In reality, it means boys have to compete against boys and not in girls leagues. It is designed to prevent second rate male athletes from winning in girls leagues

here is the operative wording in that HB
(B) No school, interscholastic conference, or organization
that regulates interscholastic athletics shall knowingly permit
individuals of the male sex to participate on athletic teams or
in athletic competitions designated only for participants of the
female sex.
(C) Nothing in this section shall be construed to restrict
the eligibility of any student to participate on any athletic
teams or in athletic competitions that are designated as male or
co-ed.

 

You should address your concerns directly to the Xtofascists who wrote them.

 

It is socialism, legitimate socialism if you like to put it that way.

 

do you hate Christians (I am agnostic) because they consider your lifestyle "sinful"./ that seems to be a major reason for that hatred I often see. and I can understand that sort of hatred. But the hyperbolic hysterics get old. I am a professional coach these days. I have been, in some capacity for over forty years. As a bottom of the varsity or top of the JV freshman squash player in college-I easily beat the #2 woman in the country who I often played against to get her used to the sort of pace that the pro women hit at her. Most of my top athletes now are women and I don't want them competing against failed male athletes. Pretending that makes me some sort of "fascist" or hater of the alphabet movement is just plain stupid. Well known (and it cost her millions in endorsements) gay activist and world famous athlete Martina Navratilova opposes failed male athletes being able to compete against women

 

nope, that is not public control of a means of production and it doesn't even qualify as welfare socialism

 

Bizarre anecdote that has ZERO RELEVANCE to the Xtofascists denying healthcare to transpeople purely out of bigotry.

Sports organizations can make whatever rules are appropriate. Why not just add an OPEN category where everyone can compete? Why not ADD a category for transpeople, why would that cause a problem?

Why do YOU have a problem with transpeople playing sports?

 

Not at all, most of them are nice people.

Unfortunately they are not usually distinguished from the Xtofascists who only PRETEND to be Xtians but don't actually follow many of the core tenents of their own dogma.

No, I don't hate ANYONE because it is negative emotion that I consider to be toxic to myself.

What I OPPOSE is the nefarious AGENDA of the Xtofascists to deny my fellow citizens their Constitutional Rights.

 

Ohio allows that. boys can compete in boys leagues or coed leagues. why should taxpayers pay for trans surgery?

 

you don't have a constitutional right to play in a girls sports league if you have an XY chromosome make up
you don't have a right to force tax payers to pay for you getting an addadiktome surgery because you want to be a boy. constitutional rights are the ability for you to act and not be persecuted by the government.

 

Public control of a means of production is not the definition of socialism.

 

military fire, roads are not either. try again. your definition basically assumes socialism for anything above anarchism

 

I suppose it does.
Mutually beneficial enterprise in a community.
Those upstream don’t pollute the water for those downstream.