WWJT? - "Who Would Jesus Torture?"

I have no idea what jesus would have wanted but I do know that the majority of Americans approve of torturing islamic terrorist and modern secular humanists are minute faction in this country, may I suggest Denmark.

 

You come across as one of those hot heads who argues & drives everyone away at Thxgiving & Christmas dinners...or do you eat alone?!

 

One thing I DON'T do when I'm eating is think that the cracker is the flesh of a talking dead guy, I can tell you that much.

Why would I celebrate the birthday of a zombie?

 

Apparently you have experienced some severe hurt and disappointments in life and unforgiveness is eating you up! Forgiveness isnt for the offender, but for the victim so as to move on.....not to be stuck in hatred.

 

If you had the ability, would you rescue my niece from that "lake of fire", like I would?

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Speaking of forgiveness, can you forgive Gandhi for basically not having grown up in a Christian society, or does he DESERVE horrific torture?

 

Revelation 19:20, "And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."

Rev. 20:10, "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are,

You couldnt redeem her as what will you offer in her stead.....by your postings, YOU will be joining her.....sorry, again I dont make the rules.

 

Speaking of "hatred", who hates more, A or B?
A. Me....I love buddhists, say.
OR
B. Jesus....he hated buddhists so incredibly much that he purposely spoke so that non-believers like them would end up in hell by not speaking so they could understand:
11 He replied, “You are permitted to understand the secretsa of the Kingdom of Heaven, but others are not. 12 To those who listen to my teaching, more understanding will be given, and they will have an abundance of knowledge. But for those who are not listening, even what little understanding they have will be taken away from them. 13 That is why I use these parables,
For they look, but they don’t really see.
They hear, but they don’t really listen or understand.
14 This fulfills the prophecy of Isaiah that says,
‘When you hear what I say,
you will not understand.
When you see what I do,
you will not comprehend.
http://biblehub.com/nlt/matthew/13.htm

Which is it, A or B, my friend?

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That's exactly what Hitler's minions said. Exactly.

 

You must have missed this post in your frantic posting:

 

But are you, like myself, moral/caring enough to condemn those rules?

 

I believe their retort was "I vas chust following ohdas."

 

1. You are correct, I completely missed that.
2. But in John 14:6 the zombie says that the only way through the father is through him, and they didn't go through him, so..... Besides, of course Gandhi knew of jesus, but he was indoctrinated into a different belief system MORE than the Christian system, so he simply picked a different super-hero, and now he's going to suffer and suffer and suffer some more as a result of that. That's simply unfair. Jesus sounds like he's completely stuck on himself, like Hitler, but with more power, so he's even more dangerous.

 

The Bible has a lot of stories about people being tortured. Sometimes it's regarded as a punishment that the victim deserved. Other times it's cited as the person's devotion to his faith and how loyal the person was to God to have never renounced his trust in God. In those cases having been tortured to death is regarded as a good thing. If a person is really committed to his cause he will endure all kinds of torture just to show how devoted he is to his cause. Other people will start blabbing as soon as someone gives them a mean look. But if a person is ever really tortured it's best to kill him because he will certainly take revenge at the first opportunity and it won't be pretty.

In the Bible Jesus killed a fig tree because it didn't have any figs even though it wasn't fig season. When he encountered people possessed by demons the demons were fearful that he would torture them. Jesus also threatens people with torture. When he returns to destroy the world and kill all life he will send weird bugs to torture people for five months.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+8:28-30&version=CEB

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+18:33-35&version=NKJV

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+5:6-8&version=CEB

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+8:27-29&version=CEB

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+9:4-6&version=RSVCE

Paul used to love to torture people.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+26:10-12&version=CEB

The Biblical stories of torture make the current dust-up over torture seem rather tame. Those guys were really mean.

 

What percentage of Nazis were Christians?

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No, no, no, I'm afraid you have Jesus confused with Saddam Heussein.

 

Do you mean by 'self labeling' or by their adherence to the words of Jesus Christ? Many have killed in the name of the cross that werent Christians...as many/most in the Crusades who raped & pillaged.

 

If Jesus is God, didn't he justify and order the violence in the Old Testament ?

 

In the Crusades, if tons of people were raping and pillaging in your name, would you not come down and at least EDUCATE them that that was not your true message, or would you sit on your hands and let the carnage unfold? I know what I'd do, because I care about people. What about you....could you with that guilt?

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Of course, and that's why they don't remove the OT from the Bible.

 

I feel that I'm feeding your 'frenzy' of past anti-God cut & pastes on the forum.

Tell me that your secular concern & love for your fellow mankind is being made evident in ANY yet ALL of your postings!

You have offered nothing but hate-spewed accusations..I read your words of tearing down but nothing about building up mankind. How many positive & charitable actions by Christians have affected the poor in this world over history. Again, focusing on the positive words of Jesus Christ---helping the poor, the widows, and the orphans. It's been shown many times that the secular world does not out give the Christian world---secularists are basically selfish in their giving, not sacrificing as such, but giving the fringes of their fields.

And you offer what??

 

The truth. The ultimate gift.
There is no greater love than the truth.

 

By your answer to that question, clearly, like Jesus, you would NOT have come down and educated them, in the name of compassion, and saved the lives of untold numbers of innocent victims. Dawkins would have, so you might want to check into him, or Sam Harris. They care about humanity so much that they risk their lives to get the truth out (they've received death threats.)

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"The more I give, the better chance I have of avoiding Jesus' Auschwitz". They are motivated by fear, fear that Jesus put in their heart. Jesus wouldn't threaten, if he was loving.

 

The truth about you is your lack of forgiveness, and therefore lack of 'unselfish' love!

You are being 'selfish' in holding on to your hate!

Me thinks I'm satisfying your manic need to rant & rave about past hurts & disappointments. Lacking forgiveness will rot your brain (including your soul)!

 

Jesus apparently won't forgive me for not sucking up to him and his magic (regardless of how moral I might be, say), so I'm not sure that I should forgive him for that. Do YOU forgive me for not sucking up to him? I'd forgive you, BTW, because I'm more forgiving than Jesus is.

Lacking COMPASSION might rot the brain as well, and not being compassionate enough to leave a book that says that gays should be killed (as one example) is a clear sign of hatred and lack of compassion. I'd keep the gays out of "hell", the evil Jesus would not, 'nuf said.

 

Where did Jesus ever say to help the widows? The widows were supposed to marry their previous husband's brothers.

 

Can one have compassion yet lack forgiveness? Jesus didnt 'condemn' the adulteress but only called out the 'religious ppl' of His time for thinking that they saw but were in fact blind.

You make the same mistake many due in classifying the 'religious' with those who follow the words of Jesus Christ---taken in context and cover-to-cover filtering out the customs of the time and personalities of the writers of the scriptures.

I had a friend who was groomed at a young age by an older man, tried heterosexual marriage and fathering a child, but fell back and ended up committing suicide. Knowing him as a close friend, I KNOW that he didnt 'go to Hell' after his death. Love covers a multitude of sins and he loved God.....

 

You seem deep down like a caring person, and ultimately that's all that matters.

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Just when you think the craziness can't get any crazier.....

 

Remember, that ''charity' is love in action. The word 'Love' can be a cheap word unless there is something behind it....is it 'love' when a friend lays down his life for you?

When one understands that concept it changes their life....