Yes Virginia, there is a God.

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  1. RiaRaeb

    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is not word games, you gave a definition then did not meet it. If you want to change your definition fine, but you cannot just ignore you wrote Being!
     
  2. doombug

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    I did not write being. I wrote super natural invisible being. Nice try though.
     
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    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So where is this super natural invisible being then, you have shown no evidence for it.
     
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    I'm not sure how some theories about the universe absolutely prove Old Testament "Yahweh" or Jesus. You're really reaching here with NASA data. NASA has been proved very wrong in the past. A magic man created and designed everything? The universe is miraculous but it's not necessarily supernatural. I'm still having a hard time buying it, but interesting theories.
     
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    No, the OP does not support the existence of God. What it does, and what many religious people often try to do, is have your mind made up, and try to fit everything around into what you already want to believe. None of that proves God.

    And even if there was some evidence of "god" or what not, that doesn't prove religion is correct. I don't know how the hell anybody follows religion. Believing in god is one thing, believing made up things about that god is completely ridiculous given all the logic you have to throw away to follow a religion, any one of the many that are out there
     
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    doombug Well-Known Member

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    Sure I have. Read the post.
     
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    Thanks, saved me the trouble of typing this out :)
     
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    You're simply applying your preferred word to 'the universe'. It has literally, zero meaning. If I call the universe 'Mugwumps' (60's folk music reference), does that mean Mugwumps exist?
     
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    You have not shown it to be so.
     
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    Which is nothing like evidence (my bold). That's like saying "as far as we know scientifically, there is nothing to contradict a teapot on the far side of the moon". Further, evidence would be something we are advanced enough to understand.

    Many many religions have creation stories which make exactly as much (or in reality, as little) sense as the Old Testament.
     
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    So, God is nothing? I concur. :D
     
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    That could be giant invisible robot lizards, as easily as it could be Yahweh.
     
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    what evidence?
     
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    If you believe it, Mugwumps, exist, then yes, to you it does.
    Doesn't mean it exists for anyone else.
     
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    It doesn't matter until deities show up, and there are millions of the things, they are a myth and something of a fancy of the mind nothing more and the only way to prove otherwise is to find other universes from the outside and demonstrate stable ones are extremely unlikely thereby affirming a fine tuning argument as valid. Other than that we must assume natural processes and go with what is logical we are animals who evolved on an unlikely rare world in a universe where its hostile to life as we understand it. You do understand much of the universe is not habitable and in fact dangerous you can live on a star or on a black hole, we can live in space naturally, many areas have dangerous radiation or hostile phenomenon and its only the fact the universe is VAST that some islands of life occur and out of that less is likely intelligent. I make no claims of knowing it all but until we get evidence of gods then stop as a society wasting our resources on this and focus on advancing the species. That should be our goal making humanity truly great and evolve itself using the new tools of science to be better, more intelligent and pass into new ages and everything is the way is to be avoided especially religion.
     
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    Your argument is specious. The Christian Bible actually gets is correct.
     
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    There has been no successful rebuttals to the OP. Perhaps I have constructed the premise too air tight.
     
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    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Everyone has provided a rebuttal just about.
    Now where is the evidence for a supernatural invisible being?
     
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    Nah, what has been provided are specious arguments.
     
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    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ok,just point to the evidence,I have asked you enough times!

    Where in your evidence provided does the evidence for a supernatural invisible being come from?
     
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    Read the OP. If you cannot understand it that is your problem.
     
  22. RiaRaeb

    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Just point it out, you will deflect now until someone loses patience with your deflection,then claim some kind of victory.

    If you are serious about debating, help me understand.
     
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    I laid it out as simple as I could. I know quantum fluxuations is a difficult concept for some to understand and I definitely stayed away from quarks but I cannot dumb it down any further.
     
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    The concept is easy to understand,how you make that into a supernatural invisible being is the bit I cannot understand.Please explain.
     
  25. doombug

    doombug Well-Known Member

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    You claim to understand, clearly you do not.
     

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