You claim that God does not exist, part 2.

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  1. Prof_Sarcastic

    Prof_Sarcastic New Member

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    I have already explained where I see the double standard: calling out other people for discussing issues that are only tangentially related to the topic, despite the fact that you do so yourself.
     
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    I present those tangential postings for the purpose of seeking clarification of the writers intent. You and others take offense to being questioned and placed in the spotlight of having to explain your intent and subsequently you and others go on the rampage attempting to diminish what I have stated and or implied in a particular question presented to you. So, own up to your own faults and flaws and provide "PROOF" (primary definition at www.thefreedictionary.com/proof ) of your claims.
     
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    Let not anyone think he is wise, for the wisdom of man is less than the foolishness of God. The wise will be confounded at the turning away from sin of the foolish. I ask you isn't life more than correct grammar? Let he who has spoken correct grammar from the beginning of time cast the first stone. Do ye think God will award you english points. Do you think you can enter into heaven because of english. I tell you the proud shall be humbled, and the humbled lifted. If one think he is wise he should humble himself and God will see it.
     
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    The proof is in the threads themselves. They do exactly the same thing and you claim a difference.
    That is the double standard referred to.

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    He's just looking for help in communication so everyone understands each other.
    Don't take quite so much pride in your humility.
     
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    Prof_Sarcastic New Member

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    Reading minds yet again I see. Thanks for posting your opinion about the reason for posting things that are off-topic. But you know what they say about opinions.
     
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    They (the threads themselves) do WHAT "same thing"?
     
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    You write garbled nonsense that is an insult to yourself, to any potential reader, and to such god as you may think you speak for.

    By all means carry on!
     
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    Your avoidance is noted.
    The "they" refers to the other posters that you have been comparing yourself to.
     
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    How can a humans brain be driving them(create them) if they are not born yet? This would be saying that the human brain is God. A human brain can not create itself. If you believe in the big bang you should know that the big bang can not offer you eternal salvation. Why are you still believing in it? Why not accept the eternal gift that God has given you and believe what he told you. It's not costing you anything? Open your heart and he will come in and you will know for sure. He told you all these things

    Walk by faith and not what you see
     
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    And yet you are to love God with all your heart, soul, strength and MIND.
    To leave it out of the equation seems disrespectful to that deity.
     
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    these are words from scripture.. but you are so wise and all
     
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    This sentence does not say that the mind (or the brain is God) Because it is not. The bible says that God is a spirit
     
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    Er... but I have been born? Do you want to change the question to "what drives unborn people?"

    I do not believe eternal salvation is possible at all, so that's not a reason not to believe in the big bang.

    It would cost me my time and my self-respect. I "opened my heart" to him once or twice, nothing happened. No doubt some people will presume to blame me for not opening my heart properly, as if anyone knows what that means, but the fact remains, I did the best I am capable of doing, and he did not 'come in'.
     
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    Well of course it does not say that "the mind (or the brain is God). In fact your deliberate act of making the 'brain" and "mind" equal through the use of the word "or" is really disingenuous. Anyone with a dictionary who takes the time to look up "brain" and "mind" will see that they are distinctly different. The "brain" is merely the "seat" of consciousness (mind), while the mind serves/provides functions that are carried out by means of the "brain". Though the 'brain' and the 'mind' are related and work as a team, they are different.
     
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    There is only one comparison that can be validated summarily : We are all in human form.
     
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    That isn't what I said, so you aren't responding to my post.
    And the "sentence" is from your scriptures.
    You are to love your God with your mind.
    Not to use this resource would be an afront to what you have been instructed to do.
     
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    Do you realize if you don't believe in salvation you believe in death? Why would anyone want to be anti-God. You are already spending buckets of time on a religious forum going against the possibility of your spirit being eternal, not only is it costing you time NOW, BUT ALSO WHEN YOU PASS
     
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    Im sure you can cut and paste, or quote.

    What you wrote earlier was garbled nonsense.

    I make no claim to be "so wise'. If being snarky as well as semi literate is xtian virtue, for you, fine.

    If you want some modicum of respect, or to actually communicate an idea, you might take the hint to use some semblance of standard English. But suture self, as the doctor kit says, I wont comment further on your inability.
     
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    Inane avoidance.
    Well done.
     
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    Um... I believe death is a fact, yes. Don't you? I don't worship death, of course, or hope for death, or anything like that, if that's what you're trying to imply.

    I'm not anti-God, any more than I am anti- King Joffrey.

    It's not costing me time when I pass, because nothing happens after I pass. And yes, I'm spending time doing something I enjoy right now. Bending my knee and praying is not something I have ever enjoyed.
     
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    I am on the computer so I can't express this with the passion that it deserves. Many will think that somehow if they don't believe they won't suffer! A rich guy was begging Lazarus when he was in the pit, for him to dip this tongue in water! It will be too late to bend a knee once a spirit has picked not to be eternal and die in unbelief. After death the holy spirit can't be with an unbeliever for it is eternal in nature.
     
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    I just did. They're just the opposite of each other, so if you know what one means then you can make a conclusion about what the other means. You know, since they're antonyms.

    "Now allow me to throw at you the same kind of crap that is usually thrown at me"

    Sure it does, if you were more than five years old and had the capacity to infer that I misspelled "if" as "of".

    I have. After which you either reply with "That's just your opinion", "I don't have to accept your argument!", or "That doesn't compel me!" So, its not really worth my time to refute your arguments if you aren't going to have the decency or capability of carrying on an adult conversation.

    That isn't a reason, that's a tautology.

    All you're doing is using circular arguments and tautologies to say substantially nothing.

    "Why are they meaningless to me? Because they are not compelling?"
    "Why are they not compelling?"
    "Because they're meaningless/not compelling"

    Its a useless explanation/argument.
    So, you dismiss mathematics as well, huh?

    "Why would I want to accept that 2+2=4 because some other person dictated it to be so? Are you really so weak that you have to lean on the thoughts and fantasies of another man?"

    Analogous argument that shows the absolute absurdity of what you just said.

    Can you name one poster from this forum for which your explanations have been sufficient for?
     
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    aawwww a cute widdle pascals wager
     
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    Interesting - I hadn't heard that argument before.

    Are you suggesting that the old testament worshipers got no eternal life - that God excluded Abraham, Moses, and the rest, along with all those they led in worship of god in old testament times?
     
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    I am saying that God knew Adam and Eve would eat of the apple because he said, Do not eat of the apple, for WHEN that day comes you shall surely die. So it was a done deal. They got eternal life if by the grace of God, because God was still God, no? Like the bible says Abraham was actually justified by works I believe because he was going to kill his son for God. God promised to bring people into the promise land. Remember in the new testament before Jesus had been crucified it said that Lazarus was in the belly of Abraham in heaven? and the rich guy was in hell and was begging to him to dip this tongue in water? God is a just God. I think after Jesus was crucified it made it much easier, but God warned us that the days would become evil because people would simply choose darkness instead of light.
     
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