Your theology and a Basic Minimum Income?

No I don't support it. It's cultish. We aren't children. You leave home and grow up and work and find your way. Even Adam and Eve were commanded to work for their sustenance. If you don't have a stake in the matter and don't put anything into it, you can't appreciate what you have. Neither will you be motivated to better yourself. You'll just sit there, whining for more, and waiting for the next savior to come along and rescue you with an even bigger entitlement. Our country isn't rich. It is thirty two trillion dollars in debt.

 

Yeah, save the socialism for funding the military!

 

Well, one role of government is to provide for the common defense, not provide a basic income. That means to fund the military.

 

The role of government is agreed upon by the me,nerd it represents.

 

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But... do you perhaps agree with the idea that a small Basic Minimum Income of perhaps five hundred dollars per month could assist many homeless people to get back into the economy?

Also.... could it be true that the same people who passed a script to Bill Gates to read for them... in his TedX lecture.... "Innovating to zero" .... may be deliberately using economic policy to pressure women toward choosing to abort their babies?


Would a Basic Minimum Income dramatically reduce abortions?


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   Perhaps twenty one to thirty percent over the present rate.
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If you gave me $500 a month I would spend it all on vinyl records.

My office is a bit messy but you get the idea

 

Giving to the poor is encouraged in the Bible, but the government taking from citizens and giving it to the poor is entirely different. I don't trust the government to not take a HUGE cut of it for themselves or spend it in a way to buy votes. People give much less to charity now because the government is taking responsibility for the poor. It's inefficient and killing our economy and the work ethic of our poor. I still help poor individuals, but I give much less to charitable organizations than I used to.

 

I am just busting Dennis’ balls. I love the idea of guaranteed minimum income. I think government should protect society from the negative effects of poverty and it would be good for Canadians to replace Employment insurance and welfare with it, except that I am fine with paying employment insurance premiums to have a greater income when/if I become unemployed. I haven’t been unemployed since the summer of 2005 but EI made the transition to a new job possible. It was three months of unemployment after 12 years of employment with 18 years of employment since then. Without EI I probably would have lost everything and been stuck in a small town with no job.


Guaranteed income gets rid of a lot of the bureaucracy associated with approving and regulating the money given out to people. It cuts the size of government down considerably. In theory anyway.

For the USA, I would want to get rid of half the states’ governments. There is a state every 15 feet in the USA. If you want to shrink government, start by cutting back to maybe 15-20 states based on regional commonalities like water management districts or agricultural districts.

Then you could afford to have some half decent social programs.

The thing that is wrong with charity is that it is often associated with religious nonsense and it is often given only according to the biases of the charity. Speaking of corruption how many charities are ripped off or exploited? Look no further than the Trump foundation or those church scandals like Jim Baker etc. I would rather throw my money in the fire than fund a sex worker for Jim Baker or Donald Trump.

 

I read in some old book that if you don't work you don't eat. Seems reasonable to me.

 

It’s a good idea to take advice from a 2500 year old society that failed.

 

Which society is that and how did they fail?

 

The Smurfs. I think Papa Smurf got greedy over Smurfette and tried to smash out Handy for getting gropy. It’s all open to interpretation.

What old book were you referring to? The Voynich Manuscript?

 

Actually... I have something in mind that is rather huge.........

it is theoretically possible in 2023 to turn the homeless people of the Greater Toronto Area into ACTORS AND ACTRESSES .....
as well as members of a "Homeless G.T.A. Film Production Cooperative Ltd" or Kibbutz or company or companies... ..... and a reality film series where specific homeless people get back on their feet..... could be just as interesting as the specific cases dealt with in the reality film series "Hoarders"... for one example!

Actually.... we can potentially deal with much bigger issues even than homelessness......


https://mareafoundation.org

It is possible to turn "Shrink Damaged" into "props" in a reality film series......
and.... we can do an experiment in MICROECONOMIC theory.. using an alternative currency..... or two or three alternative currencies... .along with Canadian Dollars......

... and the whole thing could be financed through the revenue generated by a reality film series.......

I have began to explain about some of this on a discussion about some of the specific candidates for Mayor in this 2023 by- election that is actually going on right now......

Homes and other types of real-estate can be turned into "STAGES" on which events in various film series could be enacted.... which surely should increase the value of that real estate!!!????


2023 By-Election for Mayor of Toronto, Canada

I have a rather funny story to tell you......
I work in the receiving department in a building supply store in Mississauga from six am to two thirty pm.....

and I often take a nap after work...... but on the day before the deadline to have our nomination signatures in I decided that I should take a few hours and gather up those twenty five nomination signatures from Torontonians so I drove half an hour from my home and I assumed that I was in Toronto.. .but no... .I was actually still in a part of Etobicoke that was technically a part of Mississauga...... so the three nomination signatures that I had gotten in about ten minutes were NOT valid for the Toronto Mayoral by-election????!!!!

This proves that I am definitely NOT the most organized aspiring political candidate out there......

which tends to verify the theme in a reality plus semi-reality science fiction film series that I proposed eleven years ago!!!!!

Perhaps this is the time for all of this to go viral????

And if nothing else... all of us who put some volunteerism into this will know that we at the least made a sincere effort to attempt to improve life for some of our neighbours!


http://www.politicalforum.com/index...better-canada-contest.589554/#post-1072743232

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To what degree is the national debt of Canada a practical joke?

 

This is partly true.....
because the result of Covid was a MASSIVE DECREASE IN PRODUCTIVITY.....
we know from the lesson of the Weimar Republic of Germany that printing more money at a time when
productivity is greatly decreased... is a formula for economic disaster!!!!


On the other hand....
printing more money in a manner that increases productivity.....
could be anti inflationary........

if a trillions dollars is put into the economy in a way that increases the
value of products, services and goods by three trillion dollars....... then
we have not necessarily cause INFLATION at all.

Here is an article about a study that i think we all knew would be true.....


https://ca.news.yahoo.com/buy-750-month-unhoused-californians-055226072.html?.tsrc=fp_deeplink
How $750 a month changed the lives of a group of homeless people in California

Incidentally... it is pretty obvious that CHINA wanted USA and Canadian political leaders to destroy our economies...... because the USA cannot remain as the number one military superpower in this world..... if the USA economy is wrecked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Yes, aid to people goes up in times of hardship.

That's just a fact.

Our inflation came from the major spike in oil prices. The world commodities market in oil is the determining factor, and commodities markets are sensitive to risk - such as the Ukraine war, Russian production availability, the shipping problems in the ME, etc.

The other cause of our inflation spike came from the COVID impact on trade with other countries, leaving us recovering, but with short supply of goods.
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This sounds like the accusations that China wanted to infect America with COVID.

And, that is PROFOUNDLY STUPID. WE got our COVID from Europe. And, the idea that China would infect ITSELF with a dread disease on the hope it would reach America??? Good LORD.

 

Well... my wife could verify to you that on occasion I do indeed have stupid ideas......

and I plead guilty......

I do believe that China did indeed infect itself with Covid 19 for many reasons.....

one of those reasons would be to tend to decrease the suspicion that it caused Covid 19 and released it on the world but.......

... this was kind of brilliant... but predatory......

because the leaders of China knew that THEY WOULD NOT shut down the economy of China but.......

they knew that the Washington D. C. Swamp and the Ottawa, Canada Swamp COULD BE MANIPULATED TO SHUT DOWN THE ECONOMIES OF CANADA AND THE USA!!!!!!

That is indeed predatory.... sociopathic......

but yes.... China's leadership are capable of far, far, far, far, far worse than what we can begin to imagine.......

Just research the trade of human organs from prisoners in China to western clients and you will be shocked.... and sickened.......

 

COVID was a heavy hit on China - a country that is in critical need of economic growth. They used harsh methods of shutting down - like requiring that only one person leave the house to shop and otherwise stay inside in areas where COVID was serious.

You just aren't being serious. You need to check out these ideas you have with trustable information sources.

COVID was a disaster for China.

 

No.... I am being DEADLY SERIOUS!!!!!!!!

YOU are correct that Covid 19 hit China hard....... .on that you are certainly correct BUT..... YOU DO NOT REALIZE HOW SOCIOPATHIC THE LEADERSHIP OF CHINA REALLY IS!!!!!!!!!!

DO a search for a documentary entitled The Corporation that was produced here in Canada.......

and you may be shocked to find out how SOCIOPATHS are looked for........ and deliberately placed over large companies......... because they can be relied on to make the difficult decisions that supposedly need to be made....... to make money for that company......... regardless of the consequences for many, many people!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

What does socialism have to do with the military? Socialism rips off achevers to give free stuff to lazy bums. The military works hard 24/7.

 

I hear that COVID deaths in China are up, and also, a rumored drug-resistant pneumonia has popped up over there. Bad news if so!

 

Bad news to you and I.......
but the twenty four Elders who rule over China.......
are so strange that they might just consider that to be good news........

because like The B... G.... ... they tend to feel that the world population needs to be significantly REDUCED.......

IN order to save the environment from us overly productive and creative humans??????!!!!!!!!!!!

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!

IF.... a Basic Minimum Income of 777 dollars Canadian.......

were to be given MONTHLY to all thirty eight million Canadians..........

IN A MANNER THAT FREED UP CANADIANS TO BE MORE PRODUCTIVE.... AND MORE CREATIVE........

there would not necessarily be significant "NET INFLATION" CREATED by this proposed Basic Minimum Income????!!!!!


AARguy...... .would a significant INCREASE IN SHALOM IN THE MIDDLE EAST........
tend to INCREASE OR DECREASE the productive capability of eight billion humans??????


http://www.politicalforum.com/index...the-middle-east.614114/page-3#post-1074588018


The Tate Plan for Shalom in the Middle East!

 

Although I agree that the pro-life position should also support a minimum standard of living, I think that those that are saved from abortion might need more than a minimum standard of life in support payments. Probably a lot more and have an expensive condition. What do you do in that case?

 

AI..... and robotics......
are about to cause HUMAN PRODUCTIVE CAPABILITY TO GO OFF THE CHARTS.........
in a manner that could remind us of ANOTHER AL GORE HOCKEY STICK SHAPED GRAPH!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHAT DO YOU THINK.....
I THINK.........
ARE THE ALMOST OBVIOUS IMPLICATIONS OF THIS PROBABLE soon coming trend?????

I believe that YOU SIR......
WGABRIE...... have read so much of my ramblings that you have a pretty good idea how I........ DennisTate actually think!!!?????

Please note.......

Mr. Al Gore had a professor.... who he greatly admired............

and Mr. Al Gore's Carbon Tax Theory was largely passed to Mr. Al Gore by his professor........

BUT... MR AL GORE'S PROFESSOR WAS DEEPLY INFLUENCED BY THE IDEAS OF A GROUP OF WEALTHY AND RATHER BRILLIANT PEOPLE who desire to link THE SUPPLY AND THE PRICE OF OIL....... to the Fiat Currencies of the world!!!!!????

The Al Gore Carbon Tax theory......

ACCOMPLISHES THE GOAL OF LINKING THE PRICE PLUS SUPPLY OF OIL.... WITH THE FIAT CURRENCIES OF THIS WORLD!!!!!!!!!


speaking of Fiat Currencies.......


www.BankingsystemFlaws.blogspot.com/



Why Big Oil conquered the world


http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/why-big-oil-conquered-the-world.581777/

In this documentary "Why Big Oil Conquered the World" it is exaplained about Mr. Al Gore's professor...... as well as about the group that influenced him!!!!!

 

I definitely need to read this article........
it was just written a few days ago......

I have to admit that this sounds promising......
My worry is that this will be used to take away many of our freedoms as the Biden Digital Currency seems to be designed to do!!!???




https://www.theepochtimes.com/world/whats-the-status-of-universal-basic-income-in-canada-5554745?utm_source=MB_article_paid&src_src=MB_article_paid&utm_campaign=mb-2023-12-29-ca&src_cmp=mb-2023-12-29-ca&utm_medium=email&est=V1LuDntcZI7szchBDP6HmHIKPSI+rXslEPVvRLWAAYGsXGnY3seWYYiPEXXFDwaN/g==&utm_term=newstop&utm_content=1


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