Your theology and a Basic Minimum Income?

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Should believers in Pro-Life support an Unconditional Basic Minimum Income?

  1. I am Pro-Choice and I DO NOT support an Unconditional Basic Minimum Income

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  2. I am Pro-Choice and I DO NOT support an Unconditional Basic Minimum Income

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  3. I am Pro-Life and I support an Unconditional Basic Minimum Income

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  4. I am Pro-Choice and I support an Unconditional Basic Minimum Income.

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  5. NO

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  6. YES

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  1. Injeun

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    No I don't support it. It's cultish. We aren't children. You leave home and grow up and work and find your way. Even Adam and Eve were commanded to work for their sustenance. If you don't have a stake in the matter and don't put anything into it, you can't appreciate what you have. Neither will you be motivated to better yourself. You'll just sit there, whining for more, and waiting for the next savior to come along and rescue you with an even bigger entitlement. Our country isn't rich. It is thirty two trillion dollars in debt.
     
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    Yeah, save the socialism for funding the military!
     
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    Well, one role of government is to provide for the common defense, not provide a basic income. That means to fund the military.
     
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    The role of government is agreed upon by the me,nerd it represents. :)
     
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    But... do you perhaps agree with the idea that a small Basic Minimum Income of perhaps five hundred dollars per month could assist many homeless people to get back into the economy?

    Also.... could it be true that the same people who passed a script to Bill Gates to read for them... in his TedX lecture.... "Innovating to zero" .... may be deliberately using economic policy to pressure women toward choosing to abort their babies?


    Would a Basic Minimum Income dramatically reduce abortions?


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    Will a Minimum Basic Income dramatically reduce the incidence of abortions?

    1. Perhaps by 1- 10 percent over the present rate.
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    2. Perhaps by 11 to twenty percent over the present rate.
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    3. Perhaps twenty one to thirty percent over the present rate.
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      Perhaps by even more than by thirty percent?
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    IMG_2351.jpeg If you gave me $500 a month I would spend it all on vinyl records. :)

    My office is a bit messy but you get the idea ;)
     
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    Giving to the poor is encouraged in the Bible, but the government taking from citizens and giving it to the poor is entirely different. I don't trust the government to not take a HUGE cut of it for themselves or spend it in a way to buy votes. People give much less to charity now because the government is taking responsibility for the poor. It's inefficient and killing our economy and the work ethic of our poor. I still help poor individuals, but I give much less to charitable organizations than I used to.
     
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    I am just busting Dennis’ balls. I love the idea of guaranteed minimum income. I think government should protect society from the negative effects of poverty and it would be good for Canadians to replace Employment insurance and welfare with it, except that I am fine with paying employment insurance premiums to have a greater income when/if I become unemployed. I haven’t been unemployed since the summer of 2005 but EI made the transition to a new job possible. It was three months of unemployment after 12 years of employment with 18 years of employment since then. Without EI I probably would have lost everything and been stuck in a small town with no job.


    Guaranteed income gets rid of a lot of the bureaucracy associated with approving and regulating the money given out to people. It cuts the size of government down considerably. In theory anyway.

    For the USA, I would want to get rid of half the states’ governments. There is a state every 15 feet in the USA. If you want to shrink government, start by cutting back to maybe 15-20 states based on regional commonalities like water management districts or agricultural districts.

    Then you could afford to have some half decent social programs.

    The thing that is wrong with charity is that it is often associated with religious nonsense and it is often given only according to the biases of the charity. Speaking of corruption how many charities are ripped off or exploited? Look no further than the Trump foundation or those church scandals like Jim Baker etc. I would rather throw my money in the fire than fund a sex worker for Jim Baker or Donald Trump.
     
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    I read in some old book that if you don't work you don't eat. Seems reasonable to me.
     
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    It’s a good idea to take advice from a 2500 year old society that failed.
     
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    Which society is that and how did they fail?
     
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    The Smurfs. I think Papa Smurf got greedy over Smurfette and tried to smash out Handy for getting gropy. It’s all open to interpretation. :)

    What old book were you referring to? The Voynich Manuscript?
     
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    Actually... I have something in mind that is rather huge.........

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    I have began to explain about some of this on a discussion about some of the specific candidates for Mayor in this 2023 by- election that is actually going on right now......

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    I have a rather funny story to tell you......
    I work in the receiving department in a building supply store in Mississauga from six am to two thirty pm.....

    and I often take a nap after work...... but on the day before the deadline to have our nomination signatures in I decided that I should take a few hours and gather up those twenty five nomination signatures from Torontonians so I drove half an hour from my home and I assumed that I was in Toronto.. .but no... .I was actually still in a part of Etobicoke that was technically a part of Mississauga...... so the three nomination signatures that I had gotten in about ten minutes were NOT valid for the Toronto Mayoral by-election????!!!!

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    Best Idea for a Better Canada Contest







    To what degree is the national debt of Canada a practical joke?




     
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