Your theology and a Basic Minimum Income?

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Should believers in Pro-Life support an Unconditional Basic Minimum Income?

  1. I am Pro-Choice and I DO NOT support an Unconditional Basic Minimum Income

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  2. I am Pro-Choice and I DO NOT support an Unconditional Basic Minimum Income

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  3. I am Pro-Life and I support an Unconditional Basic Minimum Income

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  4. I am Pro-Choice and I support an Unconditional Basic Minimum Income.

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  5. NO

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  6. YES

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  1. AARguy

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    Fixing rents? Goodbye free markets. Hello communism.
     
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    Well it’s fixing prices in buildings, not at a government level and it does work in other cities. It used to work in NA but co-op housing has slowly been eroded away until it hardly exists anymore.
     
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    They have to heavily subsidize the housing too. And then they have to limit population growth. And then they have problems with landlords maintaining buildings. Over time a fixed rent will make a property actually lose money. And then insufficient taxes are being collected. People will start to never move stagnating an economy which may need workers to move in from other cities as well as go to other cities.
    1. Remove all restrictions to building. In more sparsely populated areas remove restrictions by trade unions including plumbing, electrical, contractor license, etc. In more populated areas remove the restrictions to zoning. Allow multi family housing to be built wherever they want. Allow multipurpose zoning as well.

    2. Remove all restrictions on the placement of prefabricated housing.

    3. Allow private water and sewage companies be built.

    4. Remove all rent caps.

    5. Allow private rail.
     
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    lol at 'free markets'. A few banks owning everything is a distinction without a difference re markets and communism for the unwealthy masses. Right Wingers have been waging war on 'free markets' forever; they hate free markets and competition.
     
  5. DennisTate

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    Wow!!!!

    You do have some exceptionally good ideas on all of this.......
    I admit that my now living in Mississauga may have led to me
    becoming quite biased.........

    ... but now I am truly of the belief that as a Christian I am responsible to......

    "Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison."
    [Matthew 5:25]


    And.... I must admit that there is an ancient Islamic prediction for the Last Hour that
    seems like brilliant advice for 2024.....that is relevant for everybody in Mississauga.......

    and for all thirty eight million Canadians but.......

    this prediction can be expanded to be proven to be relevant to TWO HUNDRED NATIONS!!!!!!!!


    Book 005, Number 2208:
    "Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (way peace be upon him) as saying: The Last Hour will not come before wealth becomes abundant and overflowing, so much so that a man takes Zakat out of his property and cannot find anyone to accept it from him and till the land of Arabia becomes meadows and rivers."
    SAHIH MUSLIM, BOOK 25: The Book on General Behaviour (Kitab Al-Adab)


    I may soon find myself involved in a race to become the new mayor of Mississauga and one important part of my platform will be to print up
    a Mississauga Dollar..... similar to www.CalgaryDollars.ca/

    but........
    I will also be advocating that THE OTTAWA SWAMP..... take a serious look at the rather brilliant 1938 to 1974 Bank of Canada policy that.....

    in my opinion.....

    gives us a foundation on which to build an UNCONDITIONAL BUT TAXABLE BASIC MINIMUM INCOME FOR ALL CANADIAN CITIZENS AND LEGAL RESIDENTS OF
    $777 PER MONTH.... FOR LIFE...... regardless of household income because setting up the bureaucracy to make sure that this money only goes to
    poor people who are underemployed would cost more......
    than avoiding that bureaucracy and simply paying it to ALL CANADIANS!!!!!!!!!


    I am of the belief THAT IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO LOWER HOUSING COSTS if.... we can put a lot more money into the hands of all Canadians????!!!!!

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...t-record-high-in-2022.607027/#post-1073948749

    Immigration levels to Canada hit record high in 2022 ..



    When it comes to the option of turning deserts green as a response there are statistics that Mr. Al Gore does NOT WANT CANADIANS TO KNOW ABOUT........ because if they did they would know that a Carbon Tax WILL DO NOTHING TO PREVENT THE EVENTUAL serious RISE OF OCEAN LEVELS that will create millions of climate change refugees worldwide!

    "At a symposium of the Union of Geodesy and geophysics, Dr. Pyyotor Shoumsky reported that the south polar ice cap was growing at a minimum rate of 293 cubic miles of ice annually. To put that number in perspective, Lake Erie contains only 109 cubic miles of water. Thus, a volume of ice forms on top of the existing ice at Antarctica each year which is almost three times the volume of water in Lake Erie!" (Expanded Discussion of The HAB Theory, Gershom Gale, Expanded Discussion on the HAB Theory.)

    and.....


    "Let us consider Antarctica for a moment.
    We have already seen that it is big. It has a land area of 5.5
    million square miles, and is presently covered by something in excess
    of seven million cubic miles of ice weighing an estimated 19
    quadrillion tons (19 followed by 15 zeros). What worries the
    theorists of earth-crust displacement is that this vast ice-cap is
    remorselessly increasing in size and weight:'at the rate of 293 cubic
    miles of ice each year
    --almost as much as if Lake Ontario were frozen
    solidly annually and added to it.(Graham Hancock, Fingerprints of
    the Gods, page 480).


    So not only am I advocating deliberately turning deserts green......
    I am also advocating making MONEY ABUNDANT... so that people will not even want charity in the not too distant future!!!!!!


    Does the growth of ice on Antarctica explain why sea level have been stable?


    So.... I want to make MISSISSAUGA DOLLARS abundant.....
    in the spirit and intent of the Worgl Austria Local Money Experiment..... and I want to make Canadian Dollars abundant...... and I want to see plans put in motion to deliberately turn deserts green.... and I think that Mississauga is the perfect location from which to explain this option............ this is so much better than driving the Canadian and American and world economy into another Bear Market.... another 1929 as Biden and Trudeau have seemed to be intent on doing!


    Do Biden's advisors and Trudeau's advisors seem to want to crash the markets?




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    For an unconditional basic income......it sounds like good intentions but it is "stealing". Remember "Thou Shalt Not Steal". When government does it, doesn't make it any better. You are free to give your money away, but not make others give theirs away through force of government. I believe that is consistent with everything in the Scripture.
     
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    Money is like BLOOD in the economy.....
    so if an Unconditional but Taxable Basic Minimum Income went to ONE HUNDRED PERCENT OF CANADIANS.....
    AND TO ONE HUNDRED PERCENT OF AMERICANS......
    in order to fend off a Bear Market... another 1929...... how would that be stealing???????

    The implications of the President Abraham Lincoln Greenback Monetary Policy Experiment......
    is that The USA Dollar is owned by all Americans.......
    but the Washington Swamp keeps that information away from Americans.....

    through their Big Media...... that they own.....

    Do a search for the names Melvin Sickler on political forum....
    or for Alain Pilote because they brilliantly explain what President Lincoln did...... for all Americans......

    and.... the British North America Act of 1867 seems to take into consideration what President Lincoln proved about the creation of money!!!!!

    This idea was put out there by Economist Milton Friedman because.....
    he knew that an Unconditional but Taxable and EQUAL B. M. I. TO ALL CITIZENS... WAS ONE OF THE ONLY WAYS TO GET RID OF THE WELFARE BUREAUCRACY THAT IS DESTROYING AMERICA AND CANADA!!!!!
     
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  8. DennisTate

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    I just got back an exceptionally good reply on this topic from somebody who represents a major Pro-Life organization.



    I feel that I have a question for them to consider that will take this very basic idea and link it to a question that is relevant to all forty one million Canadians.....

    and all three hundred and thirty million Americans.......

    as well as to members of the Pro-Life Movement in every nation on earth that has any level of freedom of speech at all.


    My reply question is.....
    is former Atheist and near death experiencer Mr. Howard Storm essentially correct that the entire world economy could well be
    driven into something that would rival The Great Depression of the 1930's?


    Howard Storm’s Near-Death Experience
    BY KEVIN WILLIAMSPOSTED ON SEPTEMBER 26, 2019

    And now to link this topic to a discussion that is relevant to all forty one million Canadians whether or not they are Pro-life or Pro-Choice?


    My plan to pay off the deficit at the rate of twenty billion dollars per month?


    What I do... is I sincerely attempt to cover both sides of questions......
    whether or not I feel comfortable with the cognitive dissonance or not?????????



    Did P. M. Pierre E. Trudeau save the world environment?









     
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    Thank you for this strong and powerful comment......
    that is so much in line with the mind set of Canadian and American and even Israeli "Conservatives!"

    My belief is that HOSEA was correct.......

    and Conservatives in the USA, Israel and Canada are TERRIBLY MIS-UNDERINFORMED!!!????

    "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being priest for Me; Because you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children." [ HOSEA 4:6]

    I believe that the USA, Canadian and Israeli economy is somewhat like a human body.....
    and without BLOOD the body will die... AND AN ECONOMY WITHOUT MONEY WILL TEND TO DIE.... [well actually an economy without money has little choice
    but to fall back to a barter system and a nearly feudal governmental system]?!

    I believe that I myself was HORRIBLY IGNORANT back in 1988....

    by 1990 I was then aware of how terribly IGNORANT my belief in the Soul Sleep Doctrine was so.......

    I prayed and I asked Messiah Yeshua - Jesus to correct me... and teach me my errors......

    because I DID NOT WANT TO TEACH FALSE IDEAS AS HAD BEEN TAUGHT TO ME on the state of the Dead
    such as Evangelist Garner Ted Armstrong and his dad Pastor General Herbert W. Armstrong had done!!!!!


    I now believe that what was advocated by Economist Milton Friedman.....
    and I believe explained further by Economist John Hotson...
    by Economist Harold Chorney....
    by Economist Mario Seccarrecia.....
    by author Melvin Sickler......
    by author Alain Pilote......

    is correct..... and Canada must bring back the 1938 to 1974 Bank of Canada policy that saved Canadian taxpayers
    BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN INTEREST PAYMENTS.....

    in order to finance an UNCONDITIONAL BUT TAXABLE BASIC MINIMUM INCOME TO ALL CITIZENS AND LEGAL RESIDENTS OF CANADA....
    SO THAT WE CAN PROVE THAT THE DEFICIT AND THE NATIONAL DEBT OF CANADA HAVE BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY A
    PRACTICAL JOKE BEING PLAYED ON CANADIANS BY LESS THAN COURAGEOUS ELECTED OFFICIALS IN OTTAWA!!!

    POLITICIANS LOVE TO DISTRIBUTE BILLIONS AND TRILLIONS OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS....
    ON THEIR PET PROJECTS....
    SUCH AS EXPERIMENTS IN A NEW TECHNOLOGY FROM THEIR BUDDIES IN BIGPHARMA.....

    AS WE HAVE SEEN IN THESE PAST FIVE YEARS!!!!!?????


    SO.... DO WE WANT AN UNCONDITIONAL BUT TAXABLE BASIC MINIMUM INCOME GOING TO ALL CITIZENS AND LEGAL RESIDENTS
    OR DO WE WANT TO SEE MORE OF WHAT WAS SOLD TO THE PUBLIC BY DR. Tony Fauci..... and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau?????

    That is our choice.....
    and if we make the wrong choice.....

    it will be due to our LACK OF KNOWLEDGE!!!!????

    THAT IS GOOD NEWS....
    BECAUSE OUR LACKING KNOWLEDGE CAN BE DEALT WITH.... even within twenty four hours!!!!!


    My plan to pay off the deficit at the rate of twenty billion dollars per month?


     
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    Having thought this all over for another hour or so......
    I must concede the point that IF AN UNCONDITIONAL BASIC MINIMUM INCOME....
    WAS FINANCED IN THE SAME MANNER AS THE ECONOMY OF CHINA HAS BEEN FINANCED FOR DECADES.......

    WITH TOTAL STATE CONTROL OVER THE CREATION OF "MONEY" in whatever form money takes.......

    then your prediction could be correct..... an Unconditional Basic Minimum Income that is financed in the insane way that
    the Bank of Canada moved to since 1974... then......

    there would be serious issues but it would still be an improvement over a situation where ninety eight percent of the money supply.....

    creates COMPOUND INTEREST OWING.... OVER TIME......

    THAT IS WHAT DESTROYS THE ECONOMY AND CAUSES US TO APPEAR BANKRUPT ON PAPER......


    PLEASE GIVE SOME THOUGHT TO THE IMPLICATIONS OF THE FOLLOWING TWO GRAPHS......


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...from-the-ottawa-swamp.551407/#post-1070261992




    https://www.michaeljournal.org/articles/social-credit/item/the-public-debt-problem?/plenty34.htm


    $100 debt growth at 6% interest
    Year Original borrowed capital Debt at year end* Interest due at year end Money in circulation
    1 $100 $106.00 $6.00 $100
    2 $100 $112.35 $6.36 $100
    3 " $119.10 $6.74 "
    4 " $126.25 $7.15 "
    5 " $133.82 $7.57 "
    10 " $179.08 $10.14 "
    20 " $320.71 $18.15 "
    30 " $574.35 $32.51 "
    40 " $1,028.57 $58.22 "
    50 " $1,842.02 $104.26 "
    60 $100 $3,298.77 $186.72 $100
    70 $100 $5,907.59 $334.39 $100




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    Do forty one million Canadians own The Canadian Dollar?

    Or is the Canadian Dollar OWNED by the Members of Parliament that we elect?

    I am of the belief that forty one million Canadians OWN the Canadian Dollar and BigMedia... BigOil... BigPharma.... and BigGovernment know exactly how to get
    eighty to ninety percent cooperation out of elected Members of Parliament!

    The other ten to twenty percent of elected officials tend to fall into line due to FEAR!?


    Do three hundred and thirty million Americans own the USA Dollar... or do
    the elected officials in Washington OWN all rights to the USA Dollar??????????

    IS THE FOLLOWING PREDICTION from 1973 an entirely NEGATIVE trend?


    Please take some time to seriously consider why President Franklin Delano Roosevelt
    was able to convince his supporters to initiate The New Deal?????


    Could a real estate boom plus better Fed policy pay off USA national debt?


    Ordinary people can set in motion a series of events that can cause positive reform in Washington..... or presumably Ottawa as well!


    http://www.whatcomwatch.org/php/WW_open.php?id=717

    Is there any valid comparison to the behaviour patterns of C.E.O's with our elected officials in Washington and Ottawa??????

    Are C.E.O's over paid? If so... why?



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      Probably to lie and perform other unethical acts
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    2. C.E.O's must be the best of the best of the best of the best!
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    3. C.E.O's are like movie stars... and they need to be paid similar amounts of money
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    4. C.E.O's learn company secrets that are extremely valuable so.....
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    5. If C.E.O's are not paid a lot they may be grabbed by a different company... demand and supply
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    Here is something to THINK ABOUT!!!!!!??????

    ..."cancer cells are anaerobic (do not breathe oxygen)cannot survive in the presence of high levels of oxygen, as found in an alkaline state." (Dr. Otto Warburg, written in 1924 to 1931)


    Do I....
    a blue collar worker have a good theory on how cancer can be addressed at an amazingly low cost?

    Yes......

    just do an extensive search for the name Karl Jurak.... and Matol.... which is a nutritional supplement that in my opinion does seem to assist the blood to absorb oxygen!?

    Your doctor... who probably impresses you as caring about you... is unlikely to mention that name to you.... and the commissions that he or she earns on prescriptions is their likely incentive to remain silent!
     
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