Z Never Had A Broken Nose

after 10 minutes you do realize you can get bleeding to stop dont you?

 

To sustain your claim the EMT's refute the doctor it does. Their job is to treat on the scene and to make sure the the person is stable and report what they observe. They could treat a bruised arm which later turns out to have a fracture, it is not their job to do a complete medical exam and diagnoses. But do please post from their report where it says there is no broken nose.

 

White flag noted. Guess you figured out you can't debate me on the facts and your attempts to put words in my mouth went down in flames.

 

They looked bad enough to me.

Bull. You show 100 people his photo and ask them what ethnicity they think he is and I guarantee that 100 of them will say Hispanic. White boy my ass.

 

that is a possibility yes, ill give that to you.

lol you trying to say people only punch with the hand you use the most? lol um you say they were most likely in a struggle, and as above if they fell like you say they did they were both bracing for the fall. so couldnt that mean Z had a hold of T's right arm leaving only his left available and he hit him with his left fist? extremely possible wouldnt you think? you cant just say "oh he was right handed, no way he hit him with his left hand" lol, that would not stand a second in court lol.

the evidence thus far can go either way, i can think of atleast 3 ways from each side how this could have happened to be honest. atleast 6 scenarios and im sure there are more. the evidence thus far is too sketchy and this is gonna be a very interesting trial. we gonna see what these lawyers are really made of.

 

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I call bull(*)(*)(*)(*) on this. He was 6'3," 165 LBS and a football player. If he REALLY wanted to dust Zimmerman he could have. Zimmerman wouldn't have had a chance in hell of catching him or having any idea where he was.

 

Then you are saying Z's doctor is a dumbass because Z's doctor says he is a white male.

 

Nobody claimed T couldn't beat Z in a foot race and T was not 6'3". He was only 5'11". We know for a fact T ran away from Z.

 

Actually, it kind of makes sense now. If he was right handed, most right handed people put their left foot forward in a fight and push off of the right foot. That means they would jab with their left. A jab is enough to bloody a nose, and even knock someone down if they were off balance and not expecting the punch, but I can't see someone getting a bad break (deviated septum) from a jab...

Maybe he confronted Z and gave him a quick shot that knocked him down... and the rest is history.

 

Glad you admit that. So either he came back, or Zimmerman hunted him down...

 

No. I am not saying T couldn't have hit Z with his left hand. I'm saying the absence of any marks on T's right hand shows he was not pummeling on Z. I already said it was possible T punched Z. But if anyone wants to claim T was pummeling Z they need to address the lack of physical evidence. So far, the only injury on Z's face was a tender nose and two black eyes which obviously happened at the same time.

I'm looking at the totality of evidence and based on the physical proof and their known mindset and histories, I don't see a jury having a hard time accepting the M2 charge. Especially when Z's credibility is blown by his own words that contradict each other.

 

Since we know Z refused to set a meeting place with the cops, it makes sense Z hunted him down. That, and the fact Z was farther away from his truck when the shooting happened versus when he got off the phone with dispatch. Add to that Z's affection for wanting to be cop and complaining about how those butt holes "always get away."

 

Did you forget about the 7/11 bag T was carrying????

 

The prosecution is asking for Z's statements to be sealed along with phone records.

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/n...immerman_statements/srvc=home&position=recent

Apparently, those statements contain a good portion of evidence as to why the M2 charge was brought but I disagree with sealing anything at this point. Let it all out into the sunshine!

 

She never said she wasn't sure. "I heard it a little bit" could refer to the volume.

 

better say what the NoI tells you to say.

 

Of course, further taint the jury pool. That is your goal.

 

I'm advocating for all the facts to be public. Oh, wait, now I understand your response at the thought of making it all transparent. That would give Z and his supporters no more ziggle zoom to dance around his guilt.

If I am guilty of tainting the jury pool for discussing it then so are you, and everyone else that has chimed in.

I think you are upset because you remember me specifically advising you to not claim Z's broken nose as fact until the records were released. Now that we see it is a fact speculation is what was used to claim it is broken must be some embarrassment for not heeding good advice. Maybe you can use this to learn a lesson and not repeat the mistake? I hope so.

 

Do you understand that regardless of what she heard, she proves Z lied about what happened? She is not the only witness either. What she heard that contradicts Z's claim is exactly what other witnesses heard who were there. Her testimony with the resident witnesses is a solid piece of evidence against Z.

 

I know trial by jury means nothing to you but trial by media does.

 

I don't believe Dee or Zimmerman either are telling the whole truth. They are only telling their side of it. The fact that Crump met with Dee before she gave a statement makes me doubt her credibility. Of course Zimmerman is going to tell his account to favor him as well. The witnesses at the scene seem more credible to me. They don't have much of a motive to lie. I really don't believe Dee or Zimmerman completely which just leaves the other witnesses. Just from those and the physical evidence there is enough to show self defense on Zimmerman's account.

 

Yet again, an impressive opinion on the matter. Congrats.

 

Then show where I said Z shouldn't even have a trial. Your pathetic straw men are announcing to everyone you have absolutely nothing of value to say on the subject.

 

Once again, do you understand she proves Z lied about what happened? If he lied about what happened it means he knows the shooting was not justified.

Four witnesses have changed their story, including retracting the claim T was punching on Z.

 

What you mean is that if anyone doubts your opinion on Zimmerman's guilt, stating obvious things like lack of evidence, then you cannot entertain the facts.