Zelenskyy joins Canadian Parliament’s ovation to 98-year-old veteran who fought with Nazis

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  1. ToughTalk

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    Support a dictator? No. But work with the dictator to try and create an environment of peace and stability in that region? Yes.

    Progressives need to come to terms with the reality that you cannot control who is in power or how they rule in other nations.
     
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    So what you've proven is a fringe antii-Jewish Jew was the founder of a "Jewish" group supporting Hitler...

    Jewish Nazi's would have been as rare then as ethical Republicans are today... Pink Unicorn level rare...
     
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    Why, yes ...... I have proven something. I'll leave you and Nerd to digest this Clayton Bigsby moment.

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    Telling a dictator who starves his own people that the dictator has a great vision for his country? Yea...no.

    Biden said something along the lines of China having a different cikture and then right went ape. Our former POTUS kisses the behind of a cruel dictator and rightists don't bat an eye because the rules are different for them.
     
  5. Steve N

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    Be honest, when biden spoke of China’s culture, what exactly was he referring to?
     
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    Do you honestly think saying a country has different cultural norms classifies as defending their behavior?

    If Biden had went ahead and said the Chinese president has a great vision for the country, would you be upset?
     
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    Many very intelligent influential leftists, including many prominent Jews, were fooled by Hitler and Mussolini before 22 June 1941. Of course, they should have known better.
    But I can't find any actual Nazis among them. They were usually Communists or part of the pro-Bolshevik Left. A hard lesson for them

    "...he described the speech [by Hitler] as a "genuinely statesmanlike address.' ... 'We have heard once more ... the authentic voice of a genuinely civilized people.' ... 'to deny today that Germany can speak as a civilized power because uncivilized things are being done in Germany is in itself a deep form of intolerance." Walter Lippmann praising Hitler, from Ronald Steele's, Walter Lippmann and The American Century, p.331.
     
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    What were those cultural norms Biden was defending?
     
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    Tell that to the pack of posters claiming Jewish Nazis were all the rage....

    Stalin was absolutely conned into believing Hitler had no designs on capturing his Lebensraum until.... oops... he did....
     
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    The Communists paid dearly for that mistake. The ACLU, which had protected them for decades branded them CommuNazis.
    The CPUSA temporarily disbanded over the controversy.

    “Even the American Civil Liberties Union, which had devoted a considerable portion of its energies since its founding to defending the civil liberties of Communists, adopted a CommuNazi resolution in February 1940 excluding from its own governing committees anyone belonging to organizations “supporting the totalitarian governments of the Soviet Union and of the Fascist and Nazi countries (such as the Communist Party the German American Bund and others). ” The resolution was used to purge Elizabeth Gurley Flynn, a charter member of the ACLU, from the organizations Board of Directors on the basis of her membership in the Communist Party. Only a steadily dwindling band of liberals clung to the old adage that there were no enemies on the left."
    The American Communist Party during the Second World War, Which Side Were You On?,
    By Maurice Isserman, University of Illinois Press, Urbana and Chicago, 1993. pp. 44,45. (emphasis mine)
     
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    Ohh well that changes things.
     
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    It might. Byrd regretted joining the KKK and has said so many times. Should his past follow him forever?

    If yes, remind me which side was whining when statues of racist slave owners were being taken down.
     
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    I didn't care enough, just like leftists don't care enough to know they're cheering a Nazi.

    Looks like we're full circle back to laughing at leftists who don't even care about being right on important things, unlike understanding your opinions.
     
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    KKK-Lite
     
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    Says the people that want all white people to pay for **** that happened centuries ago.

    You couldn't even stop yourself doing it between your 3rd and 4th sentences.
     
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    Is that why "Baby it's Cold Outside" is bad and "Bitch Betta Have My Money" is ok?
     
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    Being led by your nose is one of their defining characteristics.

    Probably why so many of the blue-haired's often have nose rings in.
     
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    I don't think people should pay for anything that happened before their time. How does taking down a statue affect the current generation?

    I find it off the right is going off the rails about Canadians unknowingly applauding a Nazi, yet idolize statues of men who were known slave owners and racist.
     
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    Most leftists do though.

    That's easy.

    Trying to memory-hole history is a sure fire way to repeat history.

    Statues are no different than books, really. They're a reminder of past historical figures.

    They're there to spark conversation and debate, and to remind us of what came before.

    A statue to George Washington to the average leftist is only going to represent one thing to them, which is why they seek to destroy it. Their vapid minds can't comprehend the fact that slavery was a global thing, nor can they comprehend that many of our founders were solidly against slavery. They can't grasp that the ideals they put down are what directly led to western culture and ideas being one of the few places on Earth where modern slavery is stamped out.

    For all their talk about being "educated" most leftists can't have a conversation without resorting to attacking you when able and screeching at you when they can't attack like a pack of hyenas.

    Examples of this penchant in the leftist mind is replete through history; be it Pol Pot, Mao, the Bolsheviks, etc......they all have sought to destroy history and learning.

    Tearing down statues and elected officials cheering a Nazi are two different things. They weren't just cheering a Nazi, they were too stupid to even realize that Russia was an ally in WW2. Cheering for anyone fighting the Russians in WW2 post German invasion would have been stupid even if they guy hadn't been a Nazi.
     
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    You yourself being a German ought to know better than take this tact. The Nazis of Germany employed the same strategies the liberals use today.
     
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    yeah but they like to pretend Hitler wasn't a leftist.
     
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    Chrystia Freeland knew. After all her grandfather was one of the top Nazis assigned to ukraine. She gave a standing ovation to a Nazi and she damn sure knew what she was doing.
     
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    An unusually large percentage of the CPUSA's military age went into the military during WWII to serve in active combat. Those that managed to come back were not happy with the leadership that had followed the Soviet line during the Hitler/Stalin Pact. No blue hair in that group of hardened survivors.
    This return from war led to serious internal challenges and even a decision to disband the CPUSA.

    Eventually the rebels left what was left of the movement and the old guard restarted what was by then a thoroughly shredded CP.

    “Doggedly loyal to the current Soviet line, American Communist did little to restore their tarnished image in the months that followed. While still ostensibly holding both sides responsible for the war, the Daily Worker reserved it sternest criticisms for the allies the Communist never went so far as to echo the Soviet foreign office’s sentiment that ***"fascism is a matter of taste"*** but the party’s publications consistently absolved the Nazis of any special responsibility for the war.”
    The American Communist Party during the Second World War, Which Side Were You On?,
    By Maurice Isserman, University of Illinois Press, Urbana and Chicago, 1993. P. 45.
     
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    There was a fundamental ideological difference. The Nazis/Fascists rejected the idea that the state would ever "wither away".

    "How self-government is to be organized and how we can manage without a bureaucracy has been shown to us by America and the first French Republic, and is being shown even today by Canada, Australia and the other English colonies." "The State and Revolution", VI Lenin, Penguin, 1992, Lenin, 66.

    In practice, under tyrants like Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro ... there is little difference.
     
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    As the resident Canadian round these parts, I can definitely say that this was a massive screw up on the part of the Speaker of the House, Rota.

    The Speaker is separate from the Prime Ministers Office, because that person is elected by the full House of Commons and is specifically separated to avoid conflicts of interest. In fact, the opposition leader was quite ecstatic when they got Rota elected to the position.

    Trudeau didn't have anything to do with this. This was all Rota, who didn't take the time to vet the individual. Evidently the guys son called up Rota's office and Rota was basically 'sure bring him down', trotted him out in front of everyone who didn't have a clue who the guy was.

    There is no reason for Trudeau's office to be interfering with the Speakers office and would be accused of interference if he was (and rightly so).

    Pierre can say everything he wants now, but he clapped just as much as everyone else in that room.

    It was a massive embarrassment of Canada and our Parliament on the world stage, but it's a bipartisan embarrassment.
     
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