The more the gun nuts fight the assualt weapons ban, the more attention it gets

Just out of curiosity: out of the 2,000 people killed since Sandy Hook, how many were killed by assault weapons?

 

If you want to cut gun deaths, end the war on (some) drugs. It's responsible for fully half (and probably more) of all firearm homicides in the entire country. Anyone not willing to have that conversation is more interested in control than they are in actually cutting violence.

 

The government has been known to spin a bit...that said, I sould have said that the report is dated...most of the data is at least 5 years old.

You said it came from the government but then you wind up your post that your own surce directly refutes.

 

Considering McVeigh was born in 1968 and raised under the, "Don't hurt the poor little boy's ego by spanking him", you have pointed out what I'm talking about

 

Until 1934. But theyt were outlawed for the general populace because of what some gangsters did in 1929. Now, that makes a lot of sense doesn't it??? Gangsters go on a killing spree amoung themself's and we can't own what they used to top it off with.

 

Why do you proclaim 'gun nuts' are fighting against the assault weapons ban? I have a DPMS Panther, I don't consider myself a gun nut, but I definitely fight for mine and everyone else rights to own one. I've had mine for several months now and as far as I know, it hasn't been involved in any mass slayings. Unless my gun has been lying to me all along and did commit mass murders that I haven't been aware of. Wait a second, silly me, guns don't kill people, the people who own the gun do.

Why are these type of weapons so worrisome to the masses? Because it was involved in the recent mass shootings? Gun violence, as a whole, has been going down dramatically over the past several decades. Answer me this, what law would you propose that would keep the guns out of the criminals hands? You can say 'if we ban them, it will make it harder for them to get them'. Harder for whom? The drug lords who are making millions off of the drugs that we, as a society, are buying from them? No, it won't be hard for them to get them. You only take the guns out of folks who respect the gun and want the right to own those guns. You want gun violence to have a SERIOUS down turn, start by decriminalizing/legalizing marijuana. Marijuana has proven to be funding all of the other drugs of the world. Cut off that supply, you will effectively see the other drugs go away. My belief, as a Libertarian, legalize them all but I know most won't go for it. At the very least, I think we all can agree on marijuana.

Furthermore, for universal background checks, I only agree to it, now, because of the society we live in. However, as time goes on and we get to a complete free society (I can easily explain more, if you wish, but all you need to do is look up Libertarian beliefs and you know where my thoughts are), I don't believe the government should have the ability to state who should/shouldn't have a gun. Why? In my eyes, you are effectively stating that everyone is guilty until they are proven innocent. Which completely goes against our judicial system. As such, FFL's are unable to provide you with a gun (Guilty) until they look into the NICS system to get the 'OK' that you can have a gun (Innocent).

 

Considering McVeigh was a registered Republican, I wonder if you know much about McVeigh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh

 

The problem is that the people who have a legit beef with the ban are being overshadowed by morons.

There is a legit problem with the ban. It does not only ban assault rifles (rifles that have the capacity for select-fire or full-auto fire), but also sporting rifles meant for hunting. What we need is to get together and come up with a new law that keeps to TRUE assault rifles and machine guns, and not does ban sporting rifles as well.

 

Ayuh,..... B-B-B-But that Law,... is Already on the Books....

What we need is Bumblin' Joe to quit wastin' time writin' New laws, 'n enforcin' the 1s Already on the Books....
But Bumblin' Joe has already said, he ain't doin' that...

 

Machine guns are already banned, there's nothing more that needs to be added to the law books for that. What they are looking at banning are any guns that has a capacity of more than 10 bullets. In Colorado, the bill will even ban some pump action shotguns. Of which, Biden is telling females to buy over rifles. A buddy of mine posted a video on Facebook with a compilation of videos where females have a hard time shooting a shotgun. Then, in that same video, showed females shooting rifles with rock solid accuracy. What some people don't even realize is that bolt-action rifles & shotguns are more powerful than any type of semi-auto rifles. Further to the point, most people who shoot shotguns don't need to be accurate, as chances are it will hit something.

If we want real reform on guns that will effectively get to the root cause of the violence, look at why violence is being caused in the first place. The NRA wants to start pointing fingers at movies & video games, it's the same argument that I can say my keyboard or pen/pencil causes me to misspell words. It's not the tool that causes it, it's the person using the tool. The same rhetoric can be used against pit-bulls and how they are violent dogs. I've owned many pit-bulls, been around many pit-bulls, it's all in how the dog is treated. Again, it's not the dog that is naturally violent, it's the person who uses the dog in violent acts.

Bans don't do anything but take guns out of citizens hands that want to use the guns, responsibly. The people, who use the guns, that create the violence should be looked at and determined how to fix that issue. Taking guns at our hands isn't the right way to go about doing it.

 

Actually, thanks to the NRA lobbyists, many loopholes were placed into old gun laws. An example of this would be the fact that gun shows, and other private, non-business sells are exempt from requiring background checks, and a criminal could simply walk into a gun show and buy any gun he wants without even being asked for ID.

Also, the old laws only ban machine guns and sub-machine guns, and full auto rifles. Select fire rifles were never actually banned, neither were multibust semi auto weapons like M-16.

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In my state, banning shotguns will screw over hunters. Indiana outlawed rifle hunting years ago. You have to use shotguns.

 

Ayuh,.... Both of yer points are utter Bullship....

The Supposed "Gun show loophole" is the same provision that allowed my grand dad to give his rifle to my dad, 'n my dad to me...
It stops, or Infringes Greatly on All public sales of Any firearms... includin' those gifted...

Another Manufactured Evil by the Liberal Progressives...

'n the 1934 Gun Ban covers All the guns you state,...
Any gun that Can fire more than 1 projectile per trigger pull... selective or otherwise...

Yer ignorance of this topic is tellin'......

 

Dude, how many times do you have to be corrected on this? The AWB has NOTHING to do with automatic weapons (assault rifles). Zip. Zilch. Nada.

 

You're spreading misinformation...AGAIN. Hunting with a rifle is legal in Indiana.

http://www.eregulations.com/indiana/hunting/deer-licenses-and-equipment/
http://www.eregulations.com/indiana/hunting/deer-regulations/

Hunting Equipment
Legal Firearms
Shotguns, handguns, rifles with legal cartridges, muzzleloading long guns and muzzleloading handguns are legal during the firearms and special antlerless seasons. Only muzzleloading firearms are legal during the muzzleloader season.​

 

Of the 2000 you cite (since you have the statistic) how many exactly of the 2000 were killed by law abiding legal gun owners?

 

You wouldn't care to make a bet on that now would you???

 

More B.S. on your part.

 

Another know nothing lib. Hey, Dag, please explain why a criminal would spend between 600 to 1200 on an AK at a gun show when he could buy the same gun on the street for 3 to 400 and NOT be asked to show I.D.. You have been watching to much Liberal T.V. and BELIEVING the nonsense they are peddling.

 

{{{"""It is not the media guiding me, it is my progressive involvement against gun violence."""}}}

Maybe you should switch to a conservative involvement with gun violence, your figures would be a lot closer to the truth;
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

 

What's a "gun nut"?

 

Only briefly????? 14,612 murdered in 2011. 24,700 murdered in 1991, which is your 20 years ago. So tell me, where does the only "Briefly" come in at??? There were 22,520 murdered in 1981, 16,037 murdered in 2001, 16,740 murdered in 2005, 15,399 murdered in 2009, 14,772 murdered in 2010. We had more people murdered in 1969 than we did in 2011 with over 33% more population today than we had back then. We have more guns in the hands of private citizens today than we did back then. We have more gangbangers today than we had back then, and your trying to say that gun violence is worse today than back then??

 

And Christopher Dorner was a registered Democrat, so what does that prove, we have nuts in both parties.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/07/christopher-dorner-writings-scariest-parts_n_2640034.html

 

{{{"""It does not only ban assault rifles (rifles that have the capacity for select-fire or full-auto fire)"""}}}

Are you totally crazy??? Those have been ban since 1934!!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act



The so called "Assault Weapons" they want to ban today are nothing but semi automatics!!! That's what the sporting good stores are selling, that's what an AR-15 is, that's what the legal SKS, MAC-90's are, that's what the legal AR-47's are, that's what the L1A1 are, in fact that's what ALL the so called ASSAULT WEAPONS ARE TODAY THAT THEY WANT TO BAN!!! The ONLY machine guns that are out there legally are owned by people with a class 3 license.

 

{{""Also, the old laws only ban machine guns and sub-machine guns, and full auto rifles. Select fire rifles were never actually banned, neither were multibust semi auto weapons like M-16""}}}

Your going to have to prove that one my friend, because anything that fires more than once with each trigger pull IS classified as a machine gun.

 

I never suggested otherwise.

You were suggesting it was all a liberal thing.