The more the gun nuts fight the assualt weapons ban, the more attention it gets

Get over it. My point was that many people on ALL sides feel very strongly about the gun-violence situation within this society.

It is inevitable that the laws will change, in due time. And it is truly "arrogant" to think that they will not.

 

A good number of those criminals get guns because of gun show loopholes in gun laws that the NRA are always praising. I could go to any gunshow, especially in red states, and buy 5 assault rifles, thousands of round, and other things, without any criminal background check, or waiting period. This is how a good portion of criminals get guns, not from the black market, but from legal loophols that the NRA fight for. Blame the NRA the next time there is a armed robbery. Chances are the criminal got the gun legally from a gun show.

 

But let us also remember that this country was founded by a bunch of gun nuts who chose to rebel against an oppressive power that was too far removed from the people it purported to govern.

We're already back in a similar situation.

 

No, I refuse to 'get over it'. You compared slavery - a horrible institution to gun ownership. As a gun owner (well, I was until that horrible boating accident last summer) that comparison to me is in all ways unacceptable. You have compared me, and all other gun owners to slave owners. Hence: it is you who is arrogant.

 

Again, more BS and shot down by Obama's own DOJ. Most crime guns come from straw purchases (already illegal) and theft (already illegal). I think only an idiot would think that a criminal will get a background check to get a gun.

 

Do you have any stats to back up your claim that "chances are the criminal got the gun legally from a gun show"???

Seriously, I usually respect your opinion, but on this topic I constantly see you spreading false information. Do your research before making wild claims.

 

I must admit I might know a bit more about this than you, I lived in a, " bad neighborhood," as I grew up in high school and I saw a lot of illegal guns, I even had one. The last place I, or anyone in my neighborhood would have gone for a gun was a gun show. It was much easier to talk to the neighborhood gun guy, the guy who always had good merchandise at a good price. If I am a criminal I do not want to show up at a gun show that has armed security who is usually off duty cops and get harassed. Besides, there is no proof that gun shows are a conduit for guns into the criminal realm, I think even the Obama administration wont use as an example any more.

 

Anyone that is not just parroting the propaganda and has any experience in these matters knows what you are talking about.

 

Why risk stilling a gun when you can get one easily through republican supported loopholes? Like I said, gun shows, in the majority of red states do not require background checks of any kind. A criminal can walk in, buy an AK47 and walk out, and no one is the wiser.

 

Well, smart criminals get them from gun shows. I mean, only an idiot would risk getting caught buying them on the back market when they can go to a gun show in many states and buy them without background checks because of laws hand written by the NRA. Private gun sellers, who do not use the sells as a business are not required to perform background checks. While it's still illegal to sell to felons, or for a felon to buy a gun, the fact that private owners do not have to perform background checks, and most gun show sellers do not support background checks anyway, the easiest way for a criminal to get a gun is to walk into a gun show, and pay cash.

 

Please quit showing how little of a clue you have. You are embarrassing yourself.

 

Thomas jefferson also said the constitution should be fully rewritten every 19 years. I doubt you take that one very seriously though.

 

You are more likely to be shot by a government bought gun than a gun bought at a gun show!

 

In my opinion,that is not the reason for the (your words)"attack"on the NRA. Lepierre is going to the extreme in his many rantings which many people find unexceptable.
I just feel that the gun violence has gotten so out of control,that by gun advocates saying ,"these massacres are rare". Well, "rare" is not an acceptable excuse anymore.These senseless killings are happening at such a regular pace anymore that anyone can see that is is now a huge problem. The NRA,instead of stepping up to the plate & trying to help control these senseless killings,are advocating doubling down for people to buy more guns.
People have stated in other OP'S on this subject that us that want more gun control are just acting on emotion,well,that may be so,but let me ask this; Why could'nt these killers control their emotions enough,before they pulled the trigger.
This should not be a NRA vs the anti-violent-this should be a common sense issue.

 

*Sigh* Where to start. Have you ever even been to a gun show? Every one I've ever been to there was a booth occupied by the BATFE. They also have several uniformed policemen wandering around.

Where do you get the idea that "most gun show sellers do not support background checks anyway"?? Most of the booths are occupied by gun dealers who are required by law to perform a background check. Private citizens do not even have access to this background check system so whether or not they support it is moot.

Quit BS'ing. If you have ANY evidence that most criminals get their guns from gun shows then PROVIDE THAT EVIDENCE. As it is, right now you're just repeating gun-control lobby lies. Do your research then come back and maybe we can have an intelligent conversation instead of you making stuff up and me correcting you.

 

If one death is too many, we should ban automobiles, airplanes, bathtubs, swimming pools, etc, etc.

"if it would just save one life" is a very tired canard.

 

Wrong, it was taken very seriously and the reason we have the amendment process.

 

The diffenence between Automobiles, airplanes, bathtubs, swimming pools, etc is that they are not desigened to kill living things; guns on the other hand are designed with that in mind.

It may sound tired, but to the families of those killed by guns, I think they would not agree with you.

 

Oh how the media affects your perception. Gun violence is 1/2 what it was 20 year ago. The fact is that it has been on the decrease and the fact is that gun ownership has increased during that time. Attacking the second amendment will do nothing to lessen violence. All of the studies done by the government, including Obama's Administration have said that what they are proposing will do nothing to decrease violence so why make useless laws just to sooth your timid emotions.

 

Jefferson pointed out that amendments were not enough and that it should be rewritten to meet the current needs of the people. His suggestion was not taken seriously, and the idea was never even considered.

 

Generous of you to define the scope of my rights...Fortunately, you lack the power

 

Actually, the incorporation of the 2nd Amendment so as to be applicable to the states came from the 14th Amendment. The 14th amendment was the result of ex southern states disarming freed blacks so as to prevent them from voting or gathering or defending themselves.

Gun grabbing is racist...It always has been. Read the congressional debate over the 14th.

 

I agree they will change...CC will be the law of the land.

 

One man's opinion does not make a nation.