Zimmerman Trial Day 5

The prosecution disagrees:
O’MARA: The injuries seem to be consistent with his story, though, don’t they?
GILBREATH: The injuries are consistent with a harder object striking the back of his head than his head was.
O’MARA: Could that be cement?
GILBREATH: Could be.
O’MARA: Did you just say it was consistent or did you say it wasn’t consistent?
GILBREATH: I said it was.

 

Are you saying that Zimmerman didn't go to Kokopelli 3 times a week for his MMA training?

Did the physician assistant lie today in court?

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The answer was "COULD BE."

 

It could go either way ... either Zimmy shot a kid to death in self-defense or he didn't

 

I do! And I believe many people do too!

It seems that the last poll I read was about 35% of those survey thought he was guilty, while 15% thought it was self-defense. . .the other 50% didn't have an opinion as yet.
(it was a poll run by Rasmussen)

 

From what i have seen and read, the pross dont have a case they can win. Its straight redonkulous. All evidence points to zimmys story being true.

 

Of course there are people who think Zimmerman is still guilty. After all, Obama did get elected

 

I hope you feel silly.

 

Explain please.

 

No. . .do you?

 

24% say murder
40% say self-defense

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/general_lifestyle/may_2012/40_now_say_trayvon_martin_shot_in_self_defense_24_say_it_was_murder

EDIT: Oops, that seems to be an old survey. I'll see if I can find something more recent.

 

The bottom line is this.Talk is cheap.Obama travels around in constant
campaign mode actively conning americans he isn't responsible for the
state of the Economy of how terrible world affairs are,especially in the
Oil rich Middle East.How retarded is that.As retarded as believing what
Witness Dee Dee states.Not only making entirely no sense but also
shifting blame from Trayvon to another { namely " Creepy ass Cracker " George }
this is all part of the Obama Plan to deconstruct society to the point where
reason is not needed.Banking on the fact that most americans are so preoccupied
with their pathetic cell phone/facebook lives and reality shows or - Maury -
that reason is now a thing of lore.Not even needed.Is not Dee Dee the
perfect example of that.Unable to even comprehend basic questions,
yet is dominated by yer addiction to social media.As was Trayvon.
Spending/wasting hour upon hour in total compliance to their addiction,
yet incapable of simply relating to other's in society like normal americans
did in previous generations.It is stunning this lack of basic connection to
others in society w/o some artificial fix like a cell phone or twitter acct.
Pardon me,but it;'s too easy to make the case that certain groups like
blacks are totally on board with this fixation.
Can someone explain to me why Blacks are so Preoccupied with their
cell phone use.I mean it's almost like some plot.To preoccupy their mind
from what was once considered important.Like family first.Then job.Then
making their way in life to pay the bills and have a career and raise a
family and be safe and secure.
Am I nuts to assume that Blacks have been offered such a temptation
like Free Obama phones that it trumps every goal in their life.
Having heard Dee Dee and knowing what priority she placed,not on
any career or eduation or betterment of herself,but merely how convenient
it was to just re-connect time and again for the mere sake of idle talk
is the new American brainwash.The better to numb thy brain and not
have a clue as to what really is going on.A low information voter.
Dee Dee said it herself ... " I tole you I don't watch the news ".
Which is EXACTLY what Dimocrats and Obama prefer.
In fact,are banking on.
Prove me wrong.

 

Their star witness couldnt get her story straight- not to mention the liberal media covering it says that "shes not stupid, white people just dont understand her."

I havent seen a witness say anything that puts zimmy in the wrong, but on the contrary, only reinforcing his story of events. One of which puts trayvon MMA style on zimmy striking and or holding him down.

I think with 6 women for a jury, they will see this situation happening, and pretend it was their kid getting beaten. I think they will give him the self defense and call it a day.

Now i will openly admit i havent been watching every moment of this trial, i just havent seen anything that puts zimmy in bad standing

 

From May 31, 2013

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 31% of American Adults believe Neighborhood Watch volunteer George Zimmerman should be convicted of murder for shooting Martin. Nearly as many (29%) think he was acting in self-defense. But a sizable 40% are not sure.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/may_2013/26_expect_murder_verdict_in_trayvon_martin_case

 

With your post count, I think you're projecting when you speak of others (racially identified) with a social media addiction.

 

There are a few folks missing from this thread who have been consistently posting on this issue for over a year..........(crickets)(crickets)..........

 

That is a good point.

 

Then simply prove me wrong.I made my case.

 

.... The pa testified that Zimmerman was obese at the time of his mma training ... Not today in court ....lol it's obvious to people now .

 

I'm really missing all the folks who told me time and time again over the past year that "John the Neighbor" had "refuted" his statements that Trayvon the Child (TM) was straddling GZ "MMA pound and ground style".......seems to me he stated the same thing under oath today.......I'm not gonna call you out by name......but please come back on here and say you were wrong and telling lies.....just be honest......I'm waiting.......

 

Seriously.......where is everybody who have been posting on this topic for over a year......I'm talking about the pro-Trayvon the Child (TM) folks.......just because he called GZ a "creepy ass cracka'" shouldn't keep you away......I know its a racial epithet and all.....but don't let that keep you away.....

 

So what? Do you have details as to why George was seeing a psychiatrist?

That sounds more like a problem for parents. They need to teach their children better. Trying to say it is typical does not excuse it. One could use that same excuse with the teens that raped the girl in Ohio when she was drunk. It doesn't fly to say it is typical. If it is typical then teens need to be made an example out of by shipping them to prison. Personally I am waiting for one of these underaged thugs to do me harm so I can sue the pants off the parents.

So you make the statement that George is seeing a psychiatrist as to suggest something and then try and explain away Trayvon's thug behavior as being "typical". You are downplaying it big time.

Your post is quite hypocritical.

 

You lost them right there.

 

they are hiding in their basements hoping and praying the jury is really stupid and falls for the state's bs.

 

Clearly said the head injuries are consistent with striking cement, which is contrary to the others poster's suggestions that the injuries were not consistent with striking cement. The state agrees with GZ and disagrees with another theory being floated on these boards.

 

What happened?

Zimmerman saw Martin walking, and being familiar with the neighborhood, did not recognize him as a regular inhabitant of the community. As a member of the Neighborhood Watch program, he called the police and reported that Martin was suspicious. At this point, neither Martin or Zimmerman had any reason to feel threatened.

While still on the phone with the police, Zimmerman exited his vehicle and followed Martin. The police told Zimmerman not to follow Martin, but he did not listen and continued to pursue Martin. Meanwhile, Martin noticed that he was being followed and then attempted to evade Zimmerman. At some point, Zimmerman and Martin encountered each other and began to fight. Someone yelled for help, and then Zimmerman shot Martin.

Who Stood Their Ground?

An undeniable fact, is that Zimmerman had no reasonable expectation of danger until he followed Martin. What I think happened, is Martin, a wanna-be cop, tried to live out a movie he saw and stalk a criminal. In reality, Trayvon Martin just so happened to be innocent of any crime and had every reason to believe he was in danger. Martin was simply walking from a store back to his father's home and noticed a person following him and responded to what he perceived as a threat. Zimmerman then began to get his ass kicked and he shot Martin.

What makes this so complicated, is that both of these people were afraid. Forget whether or not Zimmerman was using racial profiling, or just wishful thinking he could apprehend a villain in a 'Batman fantasy.' What it comes down to, is that if he had not followed Martin, neither of them would have had any reason to feel threatened. If Zimmerman really thought Martin was dangerous, he should have remained where he knew he was safe. By making the conscious choice to approach Martin so closely that he could be confronted, Zimmerman initiated the circumstances that led to the fight. Since Martin was unaware of the nature of Zimmerman's suspicious behavior, he had every reason to believe he was being pursued by a person attempting to cause him harm or commit some other malicious act.

Conclusion

This is a case of mistaken identity on both sides, but the encounter would not have occurred if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle. There was no reasonable suspicion to believe Martin was in the process of a crime, and Zimmerman did not witness and sign of distress or misconduct. Ultimately, Zimmerman's behavior can be considered reasonably suspicious and therefore Martin reacted to a perceived threat. Zimmerman is responsible for the death of Trayvon Martin. Since the sum of Zimmerman's consecutive actions led to the a death that would not have happened otherwise, he cannot be cleared of all charges.

One question is whether Zimmerman feared for his life during the fight. While Zimmerman may have been in fear, his injuries do not appear to have been significant enough to cause a reasonable expectation of imminent death. Additionally, Zimmerman appears in a video retelling the story, and reveals that his head was only partially on the concrete, and that he managed to squirm away from it. At this point, a neighbor had arrived and threatened to call 911. Although the fight did not appear to turn in Zimmerman's favor, his most significant injuries occurred before this time. It is safe to conclude, at this point, he was not subjected to the same level of harm. In fact, it appears his reasonable expectation of great bodily injury would have been significantly reduced. It seems, at the point Zimmerman managed to move away from the sidewalk and another person arrived at the scene, he no longer had reason to believe his life was in danger. Moreover, an issue that has been widely ignored is that Zimmerman was armed, and his actions do not indicate he ever believed Martian was armed. In fact, Zimmerman had every reason to believe he had the ultimate advantage.

Looking back to when Zimmerman began following Martin on foot, his actions nor his statements support that he believed ever believed he was pursuing an armed suspect. Furthermore, Zimmerman did not warn Martin that he had a gun when he realized he had been detected from a distance. Given that reality, Zimmerman consciously entered a circumstance where he knew he could become engaged in violence, and there is no report that he attempted to reduce his distance from Martin at any time. By all accounts, Zimmerman willfully engaged Martin, while in possession of a deadly weapon. In pursuing someone he identified as a suspicious character, while in possession of a firearm, Zimmerman knowingly provoked Martin by behaving suspiciously and engaging him in an undeniably hostile circumstance.

It appears that the most appropriate charge here is Second-degree murder. First degree murder does not apply, because there is no evidence that Zimmerman willfully planned the killing. Manslaughter should be ruled out, because Zimmerman has no valid claim of diminished responsibility. To reiterate and expound, Zimmerman's actions led to the event. Zimmerman willfully placed himself in a circumstance where he had a reasonable expectation of a deadly end, while Martin experienced events and an encounter beyond his control or ability to avoid that would have reasonably led him to believe fighting was his only option. Had Zimmerman not pursued the location containing a potential for harm, his own safety would have been preserved. Furthermore, the record shows that the police had instructed Zimmerman not to place himself in such a circumstance. These facts are evidence to conclude that Zimmerman provoked Martin, and could have avoided the situation had he followed the instructions given to him by the police, and remained at his location.

I do not predict the court or jury will recognize this perspective analysis nor do I predict they will not, but I do believe it is sound reason and a valid judgement. Moreover, I do not support the death penalty, nor do I believe Zimmerman should die in prison of old age. Nonetheless, under our current justice system, an appropriate sentence should be applied. Additionally, there is an underlying issue in this case that should not be ignored. In the event Zimmerman is cleared of charges, an informal precedent may be established that indicates any person in legal possession of a firearm can purposefully engage someone in a hostile circumstance with a reasonable expectation of a deadly outcome. That is to say, if you believe you are being chased or pursed and you choose to turn around and 'stand your ground' which ironically was Zimmerman's original defense, your stalker can shoot you if you begin to get the best of them in a fair fight.

Can't wait for it to be over...

I hate everything about this case, and I feel sorry for Zimmerman. He allowed himself to become caught up in an inappropriate fantasy and he ended up killing an innocent person. He wanted to become a police officer and do it legally, but he did not meet the qualifications. Because he failed to meet the requirements of being a police officer, he had no right or authority to pursue Martin as a person of interest, or suspect. Furthermore, nothing in the report indicates any probable cause or reasonable suspicion existed that would have justified a police officer to detain Martin. Zimmerman merely said that he did not recognize Martin and that he looked suspicious. No defining characteristics were given in the description that indicated any suspicious activity. If Zimmerman had been qualified to be an officer, we should expect he would have known that. Since he couldn't make the cut, he shouldn't have been attempting to do the work of a police officer, and for that, he should go to jail even if Trayvon Martin would have come out unscathed. Unfortunately, he did not. My heart goes out to the family, and I hope Zimmerman comes to realize what he did because so far, I haven't seen any indication that he is sorry for what happened. Even if he believes he was in the right because of a misunderstanding, he shouldn't seem so dismissive of the result. Never in any of the footage or coverage of Zimmerman have I seen him show remorse, and it's probably too late for that garner him any sympathy now.