Ask a Jew! What the Heck, why not....?

Hmmm...

They also became Jordanians at the same time.

The people who have refused to accept Jordan as their State, and who are extorting the whole world now with bombing instances, insist that they are the Palestinians, per se, when the term meant and included the people now in Jordan, Israel, and these terrorists.

 

Only the Palestinians who lived in what became Jordan became Jordanians, upon the creation of Jordan. Just like only the Europeans who lived in what became the US became Americans, upon creation of the US.

Europeans who continued to live in Europe continued to be Europeans, despite the fact that some Europeans had become Americans. Just as Palestinians who continued to live in Palestine continued to be Palestinians, despite the fact that some Palestinians had become Jordanians.

Why should Palestinians who don't live in Jordan accept Jordan as their state, any more than Europeans who didn't live in the US, should accept the US as their state?

Your argument is absurd.

So all people who now live in Palestine, Israel and Jordan, should be called Palestinians?

Israelis terrorise, bomb and kill considerably more people than Palestinians do, but I don't see why that should mean they shouldn't insist that they are Israelis.

How could those be the demographics of Israel, if Israel didn't exist until 1948? The wiki page the table was likely copied from clearly says:

 

That is true now too.

 

The Two State Solution long been a reality, with Jordan formed on the East and Israel re-visited on the West.

Serious discussion and strong arguments have been presented to add the West Bank and the people living there to Jordan's Territory. Those Arabs which refused to either become part of Arab Jordan or live peacefully within Israel have no real case for their claims, and have been allowed to use the issue they promote to gain assistance in the same extortionist ways that North Korea uses the A-bomb and threats in order to get USA Aid and financial support.

Becoming a terrorist minded politician is now an employment opportunity there.
The terrorism now threatening the whole world, everywhere, was seeded and grown by these people, and it will continue until America steps in, acts intelligently, forces the issue, and ends the "game."

 

In reality, Jordan is an entirely separate country.

Jordan did consider the West Bank to be part of it's territory, until Israel invaded in 1967. Who have you heard is having ''serious discussion'' and presenting ''strong arguments'' to add the West Bank and the people living there to Jordan's territory? Does this include Israel's Jewish settlements and the people who live there?

On the contrary, it is Israel that is acting illegally, and so has no case for it's claims. Israel as the foreign military occupying power in Palestine, has a legal obligation to withdraw. While the Palestinians who live there have a legal right to resist the foreign military occupation, including by armed means. And needless to say, Israel's civilian settlements are also illegal under international law.

What ''USA Aid'' has been sent to the Palestinians in Gaza, either directly, or through their elected representatives, Hamas?

Well Israel did elect Menachem Begin, who was leader of the terrorist gang that blew up the King David Hotel, as their PM.

But the US supports Israeli terrorism, vetoes UN resolutions that condemn it, and obstructs the peaceful application of the rule of law. You don't see any of the other 5 permanent members of the UN Security Council continually taking such measures, only the US. So the best thing the US could do would be to stop preventing the rest of the world from taking peaceful measures to force the issue, and ''end the game.''

 

If you feel insulted by anything I've said , thats your problem . My problem with the Jews I've met in the real world - especially - on my two "Holy Land " tours , was their general arrogance and disregard towards non-Jews who they treat as lesser beings. unless they think there's something to be gained.

In the words of Rabbi Ovadia Josef "

"non-Jews exist to serve Jews,. “Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world; only to serve the People of Israel…Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi [Arabic, meaning lord or master] and eat,” he said to some laughter.

the former chief Sephardic rabbi of Israel also said that non-Jews are protected in order to prevent financial loss to Jews.


"This rabbi,, speaks from lifetime immersion in this sacred literature which, to observant Jews, far surpasses the authority of the Old Testament. Here are only a few of its many statements relegating Gentiles to the status of animals.

“God created them in the form of men for the glory of Israel. But Akum [Gentiles] were created for the sole end of ministering unto them [the Jews] day and night. Nor can they ever be relieved from this service. It is becoming to the son of a king [an Israelite] that animals in their natural form and animals in the form of human beings should minister unto him.” (Talmudic treatise Midrasch Talpioth Folio 225a) [1]

“The sexual intercourse of a Goy is like to that of a beast.” (Sanhedrin 74b Tosephoth)

“The seed of a Goy is worth the same of that of a beast.” (Kethoboth 36)


-"'Living soul' designates Israel because they are children to the Almighty, and their souls, which are holy, come from Him. From whence, then, come the souls of other people? R. Eliezer said: ‘They obtained souls from those sides of the left which convey impurity, and therefore they are all impure and defile all those who have contact with them.” AND THE LORD SAID, LET THE EARTH BRING FORTH LIVING SOUL, ETC. “This includes all the other animals (except man), each after its kind. R. Eliezer said: ‘The repetition of the word “after its kind” confirms what we have said before, that “living soul” refers to Israel who have holy living souls from above and “cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth” are the other peoples who are not “living soul” but who are as we have said.’" (Zohar, Bere(*)(*)(*)(*)h 47a) [2]

-"And the Lord God formed man. 'Man' here refers to Israel whom God shaped at that time for both this world and for the next world." (I, Bere(*)(*)(*)(*)h 26a)… "'Living soul' refers to Israel who have holy living souls from above and 'cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth' to the other peoples who are not 'living soul'…." (I, Bere(*)(*)(*)(*)h 47a) [3]

- “The Nokhrim [Gentiles] are not rendered unclean by a burial, for it is said: Ye are my sheep, the sheep of my pasture; ye are men. You are thus called men but not the Nokhrim.” (Talmud, Yebamoth 61a)

-The Talmud, Chagigah 15b says that a Jew, despite the sins he may commit, is nevertheless always good—just as the dirt on a nut only contaminates the shell while the kernel remains pure. Thus, Gentiles, as Rabbi Yosef contends, as “animals which have the form of men,” exist to serve the exalted Jew. Babba Bathra 54b says “all things pertaining to the Goyim are like a desert; the first person [Jew] to come along and take them can claim them as his own.”

-- Hmmmmmm.

Just as a livestock owner has the right to slaughter his animals, so the Talmud decrees to Jews the right to kill Gentiles. Agreeing with Rabbi Yosef that Gentiles are donkeys, "The ass means non-Jew, who is to be redeemed by the offering of a lamb, which is the dispersed sheep of Israel. But if he refuses to be redeemed, then break his skull…They should be taken out of the book of the living…" (Zohar II, 43a) "Happy will be the lot of Israel, whom the Holy One, blessed be He, has chosen from amongst the goyim of whom the Scriptures say: 'Their work is vanity, it is an illusion at which we must laugh: they will perish when God visits them in His wrath.' At the moment when the Holy One, blessed be He, will exterminate all the Goyim of the world, Israel alone will exist, even as it is written: 'The Lord alone will appear great on that day.' [4] Zohar I 25a says, “The people of the earth are idolaters, and this has been written about them: ‘Let them be wiped off the face of the earth. Destroy the memory of the Amalekites.’” And Zohar I 38b and 39a say, “And the palaces of the fourth heaven are those who lamented over Sion and Jerusalem and all those who destroyed idolatrous nations. And those who killed off people who worship idols are clothed in purple garments so that they may be recognized and honored.”


“With gentiles, it will be like any person: They need to die, but God will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money. This is his servant. That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew,” said the rabbi…

 

As I noted - you would be better off if you could get over your particular obsessions.
I cannot "feel insulted" by anything you've said, Marlowe. You haven't actually "said" anything (except to those posts to which I have responded).
I commented that your behavior is rude and insulting. Which it is. And, would be in any context.

 

As I read the things he referred to, about the sexual behavior of the Gentiles, I thought how those pre-Christian peoples, who were so promiscuous and who had set up their social whoredoms saw Christianity tear down those societies during the 1000 years of the reign of Jesus over all Europe of the Dark Ages.

What actually happened was that the Jewish attitudes on sexual prudence was realized by the whole Roman Empire, and, indeed, the "dogs" or "goyim" disappeared from Western Culture.

What is his point????

And, as Christians claim, that they have been grafted onto Judaism, and are the real jews as they claim, all the other things about pagans and sexually immoral gentiles are beneath these Hebrew-Christians and like scum, as the Talmud so says, if it does.

 

The Palestine Liberation Organization ITSELF has often declared Jordan a part of Palestine, and occasionally lays formal claim to it.

The eighth conference of the Palestine National Council (PNC), meeting in February-March 1971, resolved that "what links Jordan to Palestine is a national bond and a national unity formed, since time immemorial, by history and culture. The establishment of one political entity in Transjordan and another in Palestine is illegal."
The draft program of tenth PNC conference (in April 1972) was even more forthright:
"The need for struggle to overthrow the agent regime in Jordan, which is a front line of defense for the Zionist state and organically linked to Israel, has become no less urgent than the need for struggle against Zionist occupation."’
That Palestinians make up 60 percent of the east bank population and play a major role in all aspects of life there "implies that the two peoples be brought together into a Jordanian-Palestinian national liberation front."

http://www.danielpipes.org/298/is-jordan-palestine

What they do not say is that Jordan WAS the second State tat Britain set up for Arabs.
The West Bank would STILL be part of Jordan except they attacked Israel and lost it as the spoils of a War they started.
Now, they do want it back because it would come with these dissident trouble makers, becoming a majority in Jordan and taking control from the King there now.

Jordan really has the land these Hamas terrorist Extortionist ought seek.
Not Israel.

 

LOL. Is 1972 the most recent example you can find? It shouldn't be so surprising that they would have opposed any regime that cooperated with Israel at that time. You might find that they have officially recognised Israel since then.

The reason they don't say that is because it simply isn't true.

1) Israel started the war by attacking Egypt.

2) Conquering territory by military force is illegal under international law. That's why no country in the world officially recognises any part of the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, as being part of Israel.

Jordanians don't get to vote for their monarch.

The only reason so many Palestinians currently live in Jordan is because Jordan gave refuge to so many refugees that Israel expelled and/or refused to allow to return to their homes.

No, most of the Palestinians in Gaza are descended from those who were expelled from Israel, and/or refused to allow to return to their homes. Jordan didn't expel Palestinians from their homes. Israel did. That's why Hamas is fighting Israel, and not Jordan.

Furthermore, Hamas does not even rhetorically seek land in Israel, while Israel actively seeks land in Palestine (i.e. East Jerusalem and West Bank settlements etc).

Hamas has repeatedly offered a long-term truce with Israel, based on Israel's legal borders, while Israel refuses to exist only within it's legal borders.

Radical as Hamas is, they are not as radical as Israel, and their position is closer to international consensus, and international law, than is Israel's position.

 

You are a funny guy.

You asked me who was saying that Jordan was really the property of the Palestinians, and I told you they even have said it.
You LOL because you are a hard head like the Boston bombers' mother.
You will defend and argue without respect for common sense let alone the Truth.

The people now rep by Hamas are recent immigrants into Gaza or relatives of the losers who had run away after attacking the Jews in their attempt to steal the small piece of the original land, returned to Israel in 1948.
It would be nice if like conceding property in Gaza was respected and the rocket fire had diminished, but it is really evidencethat letting these nuts get closer to Israel, pulling out and back to 1948 boundaries would be suicide, and you people know that.

Better an ultimatum.
Egypt and Jordan are where these Gazainas and West Bankers need be pushed if they don't stop the hostility.
While Syria and the Hezabellah are tied up with the rebels, Israel needs notify Iran that they will A-bomb all the Nuke sites after fair warning so to start the nuke war while Israel still has the edge.

Those two strong moves without America or any foreign assistance or authorization is the solution.
You prove that to me.

Rational talk is impossible with people who like these Arabs over there.

 

You claimed:

Your source says:

1) Nowhere in the above does the PLO claim that ''the West Bank and the people who live there should be added to Jordan's territory.''

2) Nor is it claimed that ''Jordan is really the property of the Palestinians.''

IOW, your source does not support your claims.

What's amusing is that it advocates that not only should the Jordanian regime be overthrown, but it also advocates ''the struggle against Zionist occupation.'' Do you also think this is a ''serious discussion'' and ''strong argument'' for ''the struggle against the Zionist occupation''? LOL

''Rational talk'' ROTFL!

 

I just saw something that claimed Nimrod tried to kill Abram twice, was involved in the war of the Five Kings and was killed by Jealousy by Esau.
Do any Jews believe that?

 

The good thing is that if all of the Palestinians did leave the area it would leave only Jews there so when they got nuked the only victims would be Jews.

Remember Zephaniah chapter 1.

 

Yes.
Esav killed Nimrod when Avraham died. Right after that was when Esav sold Yaakov his birthright for a pot of lentils....

 

Should we be more grateful in modern times that city founding by chics is no longer deemed necessary as an Iron Age moral?

 

Recently, Israeli cabinet minister calls for rebuild the third temple, I wonder is Uri Ariel, the Israeli minister of Housing and Construction a very strong and important person in the Israeli government to actually push through and make that happen?

 

Why ask a jew that?

Most that seek 'the temple' and believe it to be required, are the misleading pricks unto mankind (liars).

If any 'who' supports the pursuit, without the 'name' (truth), then realize which 'who' is the ignorant.


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Where have all the nice girls of morals gone in modern times.

 

I support the pursuit and I am not ignorant and misled.

Why are you against it? Aren't you Buddhist?

 

no where, they're all still here and equally capable

 

Isn't a primary purpose of Religion, to help make us become more "perfect" through practice as a moral and habit?

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But, how can that be if practice makes perfect? Now you know why I need objective and market based metrics to match our reality in Nature via that form of Nurture.

 

??????? of the temple??????, that is requred to be built where the Dome of the rock (holy of holies (per se)) is located?

If you answered 'yes' to the above question(s), any and all human beings, that do, are more than just ignorant, and will be notably the ones to judge when ww3 occurs.

because of the oppression is against what I consider good, for any cause.

Nah..... Try me as The 'adi buddha' ... aka ... kalki, aka .... pahanna, aka.... the one with the 'name upon the head' but most certainly the one who is enabling the next generations to comprehend what is real about life and how to live forever, in fact.

If you began to read and learn, you may realize that to enable mankind to understanding, is the unveiling and that most every religion on the earth, has within its literature about the days of that occurring.

ie....... the actual reason for the pursuit of 'zion' is that it is to be the 'house of knowledge' but the ignorant DO NOT realize, that is cannot exist, without the 'last word' (defining of how nature works, to the letter (math/theorem) (aka... name of god).

Only one comes (at first) with 'the name' and I am that 1.


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I know it seems impossible, but you never know, miracle happen. The rebirth of Israel is a miracle too and it happened.

According to the Bible, the temple will be rebuilt, there will come a lawlessone with all powers whom will make the peace treaties and the temple wil be built, but he will break the peace treaties and enter the Holy Place himself declare himself as god, all hell will break lose at this point. Until Jesus come back.

Bible's prophecies often come true. The rebirth of Israel is one solid proof.

 

No. It's not going to happen through the devices of Uri Ariel. He is a patriotic Israeli; a nationalist; a Zionist; and a mover and shaker in the Israeli government.
However, he is not particularly religious and has no real concept of what G-d has promised regarding His Third Temple.
Plus - Israel completely changes its policies and governments every four or five years.
This too, shall pass.