Ask a Jew! What the Heck, why not....?

how is using oppression, force, terror and genocide a miracle?

Creating israel, is not a miracle. The miracle is that the world, doesnt have the balls to hold the bigots accountable.

basically, the people like you, that approve of the bigotry, support the lawlessness and enable the power to the sobs, will get their way, until 'truth' destroys the ignorance?

jesus' works, never left

but no miracle is bringing the jesus of 2k yrs ago back. That kind of lawless lying and misleading about magic and miracle are what enabled the beasts to be so selfish, in the first place.

It is what is so cool about comprehending how nature works, because then understanding how prophecy can occur is not magic, miraculous or even by a separate thing, that you believe to be 'god'. It is natural, versus magic.

The prophecy that is so scary is that the nasty folks, are judged with little pity. (No one is allowed to lie, by any god (or man))

I comprehend why the sobs fear the idiot with the name upon the head. Because it be the truth, that is enabled by the name, that wipes them, off the map. The misleading (lies/liars) become extinct.

But to be in knowing truth, enables each the ability of comprehending what is real?

Basically to 'understand', then all of existence, is our homeland. Returning mankind to nature (existence itself), is by knowing what is real.

Man never left the garden, except to mislead. So if you actually think you are separate from existence itself (the garden/nature "god"), then anybody can witness 'antichrist' (against truth), if you witness that belief as true.

To know what is real is not a place, but a state of mind!

 

Oh, I am little disappointed.

What does Toran's prophecy about the Third Temple? And the End time?
Does Toran mention a lawlessone coming?

In Bible, the rebirth of Israel is the sign of endtime, The Messiah is coming back soon.

 

What's all these teaching coming from? sounds like a mash of everything you pick and choose taken little from here and there......

 

There are many different "prophecies" and opinions regarding the "end times" and the coming of moshiach. G-d will rebuild His Third and Eternal Temple in those/ in these; times.
Some opinions:

 

No it won't happen.

 

Thanks for the articles.

Seems we both agree the endtime is near.

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Yes, it will happen, and happen soon, in exactly our lifetime.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events

You're not the first, nor will you be the last to be wrong.

 

I doubt it; i can't seem to find any nice girls of morals who are willing to fornicate me into relationships simply for the sake of honesty as a moral and form of respect toward fellow human beings. It seems to me, that Lord Satan got re-elected to another thousand year term by His constituents and their endorsement through the abomination of hypocrisy.

 

My mind is reeling now. Believing that would change a lot of things for me. i'll start with the easiest question.
I was led to believe the King James Version (and many other translations) of the Old Testament contained the exact same verses as the Septuagint. Is that false? If so, what other stories are there that would shock fundamentalist Christians?
In this case, I consider Esau as foolish and Jacob (at age 76) pathetically immature.
Nimrod gets only one verse in my Bible.
"And Cush begat Nimrod. He became a mighty hunter, as it is said, 'Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD'."
Matthew Henry speculated that Nimrod was involved in the tower of Babel.
John Huston made him the leader in The Bible: In the Beginning.
Rev. John MacArthur said "before" implied that people who acknowledged both YHWH and Nimrod as gods liked Nimrod better.
Other questions will follow, but address the question above first, adding perhaps a fuller biography of Esau.

 

Part of the reasoning behind Esav and Nimrod is found below.
This is part of our Mesorah (Tradition) that the words of the Torah are explained and elucidated by the Oral Torah, which was eventually written down in the Talmud.
There is much more concerning Esav and his history but, the explanation below is a good start.

 

Ahahahhhhha...
So then you confirm the I am correct when I said that you and other orthodox Jews are actually Talmud Observant when you use the misnomer, Torah Observant.

This is very very important in our discussions, because the Talmud is just the "party line" established in 350AD by the Rabbi who had used the knowledge of that day to conclude all the things which seemed to them to be rational.

But so much of scripture is subject to our growing understanding of the things God was actually talking about, ESPECUALLY in regard to prophecy.

Prophecy is about the future and must await the unfolding of History so we can look back and see what has actually come true. What you are saying is that you agree with the students of Torah who lived 1700 years ago.
That is a very closed m9nded position imho.

 

Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

 

I'm not done with Esau or Nimrod, but I need to clarify this first. Does my Old Testament have the same data as the Septuagint? Is the Oral Torah now written and blended in with the original? Which did Jesus use? Is 350 ad correct for the Talmud and what sect of Judaism at the time was responsible for it? How far back do the modern classifications of Judaism trace their origins?

 

Who are the Ashkenazi Jews? simple question for the OP.

 

cupid dave - you are a lovely fellow but, you do know that I have a bit of a problem with your obsession...
Nonetheless, to give the devil his due - No. What YOU are saying is that you disagree with the students of the Torah that have been practicing Judaism for the last 1,900 years (your timeline is a bit off). And, IMHO, that seems a bit narrow minded of you....

 

Just in case you didn't see it.

 

Yes, if you are using a Jewish Pentateuch. Otherwise, the actual translations are going to be different in a purely Christian old testament.

No. Except, you will find commentary in any Tanach or Jewish bible.

I don't know. Jesus would have been familiar with the Hebrew Tanach and Torah.

The Mishnah, which is the basis of the Talmud, was compiled by Rabbi Yehuda HaNassi around 220 CE. The Gemara, which are further discussions of the Mishnayos, were not finished being written until about 500 CE. So, the Mishna and the Gemara of the Talmud would have been complete around that time.
The rabbinical arguments and discussions recorded in the Mishnayos and Gemara go back to around 150 BCE. And, of course, the Talmud references all of Tanach (the "old testament") in terms of what various Kings and Prophets were doing and discussing.
In addition, the works of Rashi and Tosafos, in the 12th and 13th Centuries, are now essential commentaries on the Talmud.
There are many other additional works that are essential to Jewish Law that have been written over the last 2,000 years.
The Rabbinical Traditions of the Rabbis of the Talmud would have been the Pharisees that are spoken so ill of in the Christian bible.

"Modern" Judaism traces its roots back to the Destruction of the Second Temple and the Roman Destruction of Israel.
The Rabbis had to refashion a Judaism without the Temple and without the Land of Israel.

 

The term "Ashkenazi" was used for the descendants of Jews who settled in the areas of the Rhineland from around the time of the Roman Destruction of Israel to around the time of the Muslim conquests.
These Jews developed scholarly Traditions in Northern Europe.

 

Very good and very important questions.

The Jews lost the Hebrew Bible about 200 years before Jesus appeared.
They had lost Hebrew, in fact.
The language they used was Aramean.

Before the Temple was destroyed, a Jewish Bible had been reconstructed for Targums or copies in Aramean and by using the Greek Bible of 350BC.
However, no Hebrew Bible existed, that is in Hebrew, until about 1200 years after Jesus.

In 350 AD, the Talmud was written which essentially set down the position on official Judaism as held by the Jewish Rabbi who were of the same peoples who had opposed Christianity.
This is what Jews (erroneously, in my opinion), call the Oral Torah.
They mean that they are claiming what their rabbi and teachers decided the Old Testament MEANT to say, is what they insist is what it does actually say.

What I am saying here is akin to a group of highly respected Christian experts writing a book that they say is the official interpretation of the New Testament, based on what minister now all agree upon.
Then, stamping that book as the oral New Testament and forever replacing the New Testament with their new book, insisting that it comes directly from God, but was all divine information that they all orally were preaching.

Is that clear?

 

LIAR! Strike 1

Which of the 12 Tribes of Israel did the Ashkenazi Jew come from?

 

Okey dokey unhappy fella, I give up.
Door number 3?
The capital of Kurdistan?
The square root of pi?
Do tell....

 

So is the original Old Testament, the Mishnah, the Talmud and the Gemera all equal in importance. Do all Jews of your persuasion have to endorse every detail of all four? Is there a sect that acknowledges only the original and considers the others of lesser value? How do you assess last week's sermon?

 

We believe that Moses received both the Written Torah, which are the first five books of the bible and the Oral Torah, which is the explanation and detail of the Written Torah, on Mt. Sinai.
The Oral Torah was passed on by Moses to the Seventy Elders and to Joshua. The Oral Torah was passed on in this manner for the next 1,500 years.
Parts of the Oral Torah were lost. Parts were not remembered correctly. As, time went on, the rest of Tanach (the "old testament") had to be understood in the light of the Oral Torah.
When the 2nd Temple and the Kingdom of Israel was destroyed by the Romans, the Oral Torah and all of the Traditions of Judaism that had been practiced for the last 1500 years were in danger of being lost.
The Great Rabbis, from Babylon to Jerusalem, spent the next 500 years redacting all of the teachings of the Oral Torah and produced what is called the Talmud.

In every generation, there have been great Sages; Prophets; Kings; Rabbis; and other learned Men and Women, who have interpreted the Written Torah and the Oral Torah to be able to inform the Jewish People of how to live by G-d's Torah - of how to live by Jewish Law.
In every generation since the writing of the Talmud, there have been Great Sages and Rabbis who have interpreted the Torah and the Talmud and made decisions as to what is Jewish Law.
Jewish Law; Halacha is the collective body of knowledge of the Torah, the Talmud, Tanach, the Mesorah (Tradition) and all of the commentaries and decisions that have been made for the last 3,000 years.
Jewish Law is the sum total of all of this and, it continues today, covering every single aspect of Jewish Life.
A more precise translation of the Hebrew world halacha might be "the path" or " the way of life."
Jews follow halacha, Jewish Law.

This is the 3,000 year old Tradition of Judaism. Today, there are probably less than 4 million out of 15 million Jews on Earth who acknowledge Jewish Law.
Many Jews are simply Jews by birth.
Jews who practice Reform or Conservative or some other kind of "Judaism" may or may not acknowledge some aspects of Jewish Law. These movements were predicated on the belief that Jewish Law was no longer necessary - that Jews did not have to believe in the Traditions of their ancestors.
However, all other groups throughout history such as the Sadducees and the Kairites (and that other sect called Christians), who disavowed Jewish Law, no longer exist.as Jews.
There is strong historical evidence that when Jews abandon Jewish Law, in time, they cease to be exist as Jews.

 

I agree that a Hebrew stops being Jewish when he renounces the Old Testament.
So are you saying only 4 million Hebrews are really Jews and they all accept the Talmud as divinely spoken? Are you saying that nowhere on Earth is there a Jew who believes only the Old Testament I read and considers all else speculative or optional?
Does the Talmud expand on the other 34 books of the Old Testament? Does it address the Apocrypha, the Pseudepigrapha or the Agrapha?
In the case of Nimrod, I see the story of his attempt to prevent the birth of Abram as a fictional attempt to equate Abram with Moses. (Perhaps you see the story of Herod the Great the same way and I would agree if Jesus were not so personally real to me.) It is important to my way of thinking that Abram was not expected to be special and it was only as YHWH believers became increasingly scarce that Abram became special to God. I would prefer to believe that Nimrod died before Esau's time because he would have been about 400 by then and his death by natural causes earlier than some of his peers would be greater evidence that he was not a god. Since no lasting evidence of him being worshipped has appeared through archaeology it is clear that if he was worshipped in his lifetime as Rev. MacArthur said, he was not worshipped after death.
Likewise I would prefer to believe that Esau's crimes did not include murder of anyone. That would make Jacob's fear for his life an exaggeration. That is further evidence of his immaturity, which had to be developed through 20 years of hard work.
Finally, how do you calculate Jacob was 63 when he left home. 76 seems to fit best because he was 130 when he went to Egypt two years into the famine, nine years after Joseph's promotion at age 30. Did I miss something?

 

Nope. A Jew is a Jew is a Jew. A Jew is any person who has a Jewish mother or who has converted to Judaism according to Jewish Law.
For those with a Jewish mother, it doesn't matter what they believe. They are Jewish.
And, Jews believe a lot of different things.... Always have.
There are less than 4 million Jews on this planet who consider themselves Torah observant or Orthodox Jews.

Yes. I believe the word would be "expound."

I don't think so. I'm not sure about the Apocrypha...

No. But, the Talmud doesn't work that way.
Neither the Torah nor the Talmud is a work of history.
All of it, including Tanach, is a work of G-d's Plans; explanations; expectations; etc., and G-d's Law on Earth.
The speculations on archaeology and history are always interesting but, the Tradition of Judaism tells us that things happened in a certain way for certain reasons. In addition to teaching us what G-d wants us to do, Judaism teaches us Why G-d does what He does. How He does it is up to G-d.
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