Can being molested as a child make you gay?

Really? And how many is that?

You're entitled to think whatever you want. But what are you going to do about it?

 

Seriously, I'm virtually certain that could be so.

 

Let me guess...

I'm pretty sure most homosexuals would not be fond of what you're like either (if you revealed the above mindset to them).

You are resisting reality and fighting against your own perceptions. If you aren't gay, I understand that. If you think that homosexual people (or others) MUST see themselves as you perceive them... then you are thinking in a way that is 'delusional'.

 

You know, I am curious... Given the "apparent" connection between child molestation and homosexuality, why hasn't a single medical or psychological organization stepped forward and said, "Yep, there's something to this"? Why isn't the AMA involved? Why hasn't the APA gotten on this if there's such strong evidence?

The answer is that there are some serious problems to the hypothesis. For example, the gay population has stayed rather stable throughout most of recorded history, and throughout most cultures - while rates of child abuse can vary greatly from culture to culture or year to year. There's far more child abuse than there is homosexuality - we're talking about comparisons of 1.5% to upwards of 20%. Then there's the confounding factor that this is a correlation, whereas causation has never been shown. Indeed, many think that the causation runs backwards - that many gay youth are often quite socially isolated, which leads to them being easier targets for child abusers. The whole story just fails. Miserably. And what of those who weren't molested or raped? How'd they end up gay?

 

33% of gays report homosexual rape in youth. Many gays and lesbians who commit suicide do so because they often were childhood sex abuse victims and many have other copathologies such as antisocial conduct, drugs, etc. Sex abuse especially homosexual rape in youth is major cause of homosexuality & transexuality-those who deny it are dishonest, delusional or both. It remains to be seen how many of Gerald Arthur (Jerry) Sandusky's victims will think think they're gay or worse transexual because of this. Gerald Arthur (Jerry) Sandusky and Harvey B. Milk homolested young boys because they liked doing it for pleasure and are homolesters. See this column by Peter J. LaBarbera on Gerald Arthur (Jerry) Sandusky below:

CHICAGO—The discovery that former Penn State University defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky has been molesting boys as young as 10 years old – has shocked America. Peter J. LaBarbera, president of Americans For Truth About Homosexuality (AFTAH), said the scandal exposes the continuing problem of homosexual predators in society. He offers the following observations related to the PSU scandal:

Many openly homosexual (“gay&#8221 men, like CNN anchor Don Lemon, were molested as boys or experienced abnormally early sexualization. Yet many of these same men do NOT see their boyhood victimization at the hands of homosexual male predators as causing their homosexuality. (This is due partly to the success of the modern “gay” movement that falsely ascribes “gayness” to a person’s (innate) identity, and emphasizes the ambiguous notion of “sexual orientation” as opposed to behavior that is sinful, destructive and changeable.) Thus, how many boy victims of homosexual predator Sandusky will end up believing that being homosexual (“gay&#8221 is “who they are”? How many will struggle with sexual identity issues? And how many will be told by LGBT advocates and liberal-minded people just to “accept being gay” as “who they are” because they were “born that way”?

Because the media and academia have largely become apologists for the modern homosexualist movement, they downplay or ignore obvious causative factors in the formation of “gay” identity – including pederastic molestation. CNN’s Lemon is a case in point: he is now an “out gay” celebrity, yet few question the absurdity of him not associating the molestation of his youth with his later embrace of homosexuality as a positive identity. There IS a long history connecting homosexuality to pederasty, and a disproportionate link between homosexuality and pedophilia: why else would so many child molestation victims be boys when only 1-3 percent of the population is homosexual? Since cases of women molesting boys remain rare, if homosexuality were not such a strong factor, nearly all of pedophile victims should be girls, which is far from the case. Sandusky is married but obviously has a homosexuality (perversion) problem. Yet pro-“gay” liberals will deny any linkage between homosexuality and Sandusky’s rape/seduction of boys. In fact, after news of the Penn State scandal came to light, “gay” activists stressed that Sandusky is married and that most pedophile cases involve “straight, married men.” However, behavior is what matters – not a person’s marital status or self-described “sexual orientation.” Sandusky was married but was he really “straight” (sexually or morally)? Some inner demons or life traumas – probably in his own youth – caused him to lust for boys, wrecking untold misery in the lives of his victims. Behavior is the issue, and this was a case of a serial homosexual predator raping boys.

 

Interesting figure; yet, the conclusion you are trying to literally support... is generally unfounded.

Stupid people will BUY what you are suggesting, but they should not. What you are sharing is essentially an anti-gay and homophobic rant.

 

Name me one reputable medical organization who buys into the "molestation causes homosexuality" myth.

 

The posters denying the link between childhood sex abuse and adult gay/lesbian behaviors including here are usually gay, lesbian or a sympathizer. But honestly again, it's my view that you're denying what you know is true because any behavior including sexual behavior can be learned by what 1 sees in youth. Sex abuse in youth can cause people to behave in ways they wouldn't have. It's not controversial to talk of nightmares, suicides, bedwetting often a result of sex abuse in youth esp. sex abuse where gays homolest young boys. Yet when 1 talks of a person doing gay/lesbian behaviors in adulthood because this is sexual behavior they learned by being repeatedly homolested when they were boys, then the gays with politically safe psychologists complain about how their's no link, that it's correlation not causation but this is rubbish. The politically correct psychologists who deny this know it's possible for a boy to turn out gay as a result of childhood sex abuse, yet they still deny what they know is true. The G.A.G.A. gays and lesbians who was copied and pasted are honest when they talk of how childhood sex abuse messed up their minds and their belief that they do gay/lesbian behaviors because of childhood sex abuse. Most transexuals were sexually abused in childhood which messed up their minds. Abolish sex change maimings. Childhood sex abuse does cause adult gay/lesbian behaviors for some and it's undebatable truth.

 

And I'm sure if that was even remotely true, you could find one reputable medical organization that will confirm that for you. Or at least a decent breadth of evidence to back up the conclusion beyond "there is a mild, questionable correlation".

 

I have never heard straight people blame sex abuse for a reason a man has sex with women and kids with her but I sometimes hear gays & lesbians especially gays report childhood sex abuse especially homosexual rape. If a boy is repeatedly homosexually raped in his youth, the likelihood is more that he’ll do homosexual behaviors in adulthood because the sex abuse can damage mind and cause people to act in ways they normally wouldn’t. To deny it is dishonest. It’s like if a kid lives in a high crime neighborhood & sees muggings, the likelihood is more that he’ll be a mugger in his adulthood because of what he learned in his youth. It remains again to be seen how many of Gerald Arthur (Jerry) Sandusky’s victims will think in their adulthood that they’re homosexual. No, not all boys who are homosexually raped in youth become homo in adulthood & yes, there are many gays who weren’t homosexually raped in their youths. But homosexual rapes in youth incr. risk of a boy turning out homosexual. Homosexual behaviors are often result of something bad in life such as possibly bad genes though they’ve not conclusively proven it’s inborn & or sex abuse especially homosexual rape.

 

So children molested by adults of the opposite sex can be made straight? You can brainwash someone into thinking they're a tomato, that doesn't make them a tomato.


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How can you tell the difference between someone who actually is gay and someone who just believes he is gay?

 

Why would you try?


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I seem to have misunderstood the point of your comment. I thought that you were indicating that if what SpaceCricket said was true, the child would just be brainwashed into believing he was gay, he wouldn't actually be gay.

If that isn't what you meant, what did you mean?

 

Of course I don't think insane people are going to accept themselves and see themselves for what they are. I'm just saying I am NOT getting on the "there's nothing wrong with it bandwagon." EVER.

 

It would be foolish not to concede that folks could be brainwashed into believing just about anything. It's would be equally foolish to believe that vulnerability demonstrates what people believe is nothing more than brainwashing.

We can rule out molestation as a cause for homosexuality or heterosexuality because many folks who are either have never been molested.

If you do know some poor individual who's been molested and is now sexually confused, then let them heal like you would folks from any trauma. In time, that person will figure out their own path.


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And if pressed, I'd blame my interest in the (*)(*)(*)(*) on 4chan, but that doesn't make it so. Again, I find it hard to believe that, if the evidence is as clear as you say, not a single reputable medical organization has spoken about it in the affirmative.

 

Psychologists and the APA agree that NOT ALL so abused children become homosexual. Agreed.

But the statistics ("doing the math") at least indicate a coreleation to child hood abuse as a mechanism to abnormally modify the natural genetic "hard-wired" reproduction trait in mankind - indeed, in all living creatures. It's as basic as Darwinism: origin of species and how does the species continue or improve adaptations ?

Propogation. Simple.

Reduced propogation, fewer nuclear family's to nurture and raise a child, will result in increasing familial and societal dysfunction enculturation. Like we see now...agreed?

Anyone notice the out of wedlock unmarried rates Amercan society since basic social law and certain shild bearing and rearing stigmatisms were discounted in the '60's ? That coincided with the advent of incessant ridicling and rabidly promoting anti-conservative values of family and country by Progressive groups and the media. What have Americans reaped ?

A coarsening of society.

If ( and I stress "if") an otherwise asexual abused child becomes prematurely ACTIVE sexually...in fact becomes a "confused" homosexual as a result of pedophile abuse by an adult member of the same sex, approaching family members for guidance then they should get counseling to deal with and accept or reverse their prematurely forced same-sex imprinting and confusing proclivity. Agreed ?

Some of the below "collateral damage" victims might have been counseled to conformity as children in a professional maner by accredited psychologists if they had the opportunity - it's hard to ignore the "Inconvenient Truth" of the below FACTS -

e.g. the CDC statistic FACTUALLY REPORTS that homosexual men are 3X's more likely to have been abused by a male as as child than heterosexual men - or the “Archives of Sexual Behavior” that determined in a 2001study that nearly half of all gay-identified men were molested by a male homosexual pedophile: “46 percent of homosexual men and 22 percent of homosexual women reported having been molested by a person of the same gender (as a child). This contrasts to only 7 percent of heterosexual men and 1 percent of heterosexual women reporting having been molested by a person of the same gender” noted the study.

More food for thought...am ex-gay (and still troubled) individual named Michael E. Glatze has said that childhood sex abuse is a documented major cause of homosexuality. I don't know his sources. BTW He co-founded and used to be editor of "XY Magazine" and “Young Gay America” before converting to Christianity. He is now a pastor in Wyomong and last month penned this opinion piece.

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/glatze/130727

Discuss amongst yourselves.

 

They also agree quite firmly that there is absolutely no causal relationship - which is really what gets me on this line of argument.

Wait, are you saying that homosexuality is genetic? Because this is also not established, but I'm more worried about understanding just what you're talking about here.

Err... No. I have yet to see reason to believe that the nuclear family is the best or only viable family unit for mankind, and I have similarly yet to see any reason to believe that its decline would be at the cause of any such societal dysfunction. Perhaps the increase in divorces and single parents, but the breakdown of the nuclear family unit in and of itself? Hardly.

Society has become a harder place since the 60s in some respects, but you also have to look at this from historical context. The entire social structure was thrown on its head in the 70s and 80s through both the anti-segregation movement and the feminist movement. Hell, if you want to blame anything, blame them, but keep in mind that when it comes to the personal freedom of women in society, going back is not something we'd actually want.

There is essentially no evidence that any such imprinting ever happens.

Then why are those who are best equipped to understand these facts and what they mean doing so? Why, as I've asked before, has no reputable medical or psychological organization made the conclusions people like you have?

 

It's my view that you're asking what you know is silly because it's like asking if smoking tobacco can cause some1 with clean lungs to get lung cancer then can smoking tobacco clean out dirty lungs. There's something wrong with gay behaviors in and of itself & transexuality is worse, whether 1 does gay/lesbian behaviors because of childhood sex abuse or bad biology such as genes-though it's not been proven it's result of bad genes. Again, I’ve never heard a straight person blame childhood sex abuse for reason a man has sex with a woman & has kids with her (it's straight sexual behavior penis/vaginal sex which results in procreation while gays and lesbians behavior doesn't as gays/lesbian couples who have kids use A.I.) but I’ve heard some gays & lesbians blame bad things such as childhood sex abuse as shown in G.A.G.A. It’s undebatable truth that if a person’s a victim of childhood sex abuse, then it’s more likely he or she will do gay/lesbian conduct repeating what he learned. Many gays were victims of homosexual rapes when they were boys such as by gay priests. Childhood sex abuse especially homosexual rape is a major cause of gay behaviors because boys who are homosexually raped are more likely to do gay behaviors in adulthood. It's my belief that you know this but dispute what you know is true.

 

Lying about people committing a crime is wrong

 

...We're not going to get along well, are we? I'm not sure which "facts" I denied.

Translation: "Okay, fine, jeez, I'll provide some actual citations like I should have in the first place."

Let's get something straight here. Demanding that someone show their work is not "uncurious". It's basic etiquette. You don't waltz up with big, controversial ideas then proceed to provide no evidence. (*)(*)(*)(*) don't work that way.

And we're off to a poor start, as "The Gay Report" has some really extreme flaws in how the data was sampled. It was a self-selecting survey. Those who were surveyed did so because they chose to do so. This is not a good thing - self-selection bias is a very real problem in statistics, and can lead to massive skewing. But it gets worse: the actual questionnaire was distributed in full as a 16-page booklet to various seedy places, but also as an abridged version in a porn magazine, further skewing the selection. Most of the places you'd find this survey are places predisposed to negative sexual experiences. And the rate of response was, as can be expected from a 16-page questionnaire with entirely voluntary participation, terrible: barely more than 1%. Of those estimated to have read it (around 500,000), about 5,400 filled it in. To quote the article I linked:

I think that's worth pointing out. six hours to three days. That's a long-ass time to be working on a survey. The survey is flawed in a number of ways that make using it as any real statistical evidence utterly pointless.

Okay, what else do we have?

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...That's it? That's all ya got? One seriously flawed study? Jesus, this is like Protectionist claiming that the Regnerus study is the most important thing since the birth of Christ. You provided absolutely no evidence of "gay imprinting", none of your claims about the coarseness of society (hell, even clarification of what you're talking about would be nice), none of your claims about the nuclear family being so crucial... And then you have the stones to complain about me not wanting to "do the math". Yeesh.

 

Now you're implying homosexual people are "insane"; sorry, that is "homophobic" nonsense.

Then your opinion flies HARD into a headwind of SCIENCE. (That is reality.)

 

Here, let me do you a favor by giving you some insight. In 20-30 years, the majority of people you offer this viewpoint to are going to look at you as though you had said, "But those negroes are dumber and less moral - they're closer to chimps, after all." That's how a lot of us look at you today.

 

Indeed and Amen!!