Boy Scout leader arrested for; guess what to little boys?

nah

you're doing the same spin as all other pedophile supporters. I toss the UC Davis numbers right back at you. Your group tries to redefine the what you call male on male sex if the "victim" is under 18 years of age. If you did not try and redefine homosexual sex, then the propensity of pedophilia among homosexuals hits you right tween the eyes.

So, don't address the problem which exists among a subset of adults. Instead, redefine the meaning of homosexual sex.

 

I have done absolutely nothing of the sort and I invite anyone who wants to verify that to re-read any of my posts in this thread. All I'm trying to do is examine the faulty juxtapositions of numbers, unrelated surveys, and wildly speculative statistical leaps you use in order to define ratios.

I'll toss this back at you:

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=321537&p=1063086483#post1063086483

 

See, here you admit to more of your dishonesty.

Sex with a 15 year old is NOT pedophilia, yet you suggest that sex with anyone under 18 is being a pedophile.

You're failing hard in this thread.

 

I don't care if you want to call it ubbydubby if it makes you happy. Redefining is the only defense because the numbers look bad, very bad

 

YOU are the one redefining things here. Not me

Pedophilia is sex with PREPUBESCENT children. Puberty normally comes at around age 12. So, even though sex with anyone between the ages of 13-17 is illegal (in most states) and wrong in ALL cases, it is NOT pedophilia.

So, that is at least one instance where you have LIED in an order to skew the statistics. Meaning that we can't trust ANY numbers you've posted here.

 

That is a lie.

 

Here's a thought. Cite just one case of a self reporting homosexual male who molests female children. Bet you can't do it. this proves your lie to be a lie.

 

less than the percent which molest girls

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nope. it's been debunked

 

No it doesn't, it just proves that I don't have access to all the case files of pedophiles that have offended. I dare say such cases could be unearthed but even if I did you'd brush it off as an isolated "one-off" incident.

What I do know is that I wouldn't automatically trust a man to be around very young girls just because he claimed, or appeared, to be homosexual. That's because I know that pedophiles, real pedophiles, aren't motivated by gender as much as having sexual power over their prey. I also know that they're experts at hiding in plain sight so that the real danger comes from those whom you least expect of presenting it. This is true also for rape offenses against older children and even non-consenting adults but I know you won't take my word for it so how about the word of the US Department of Veterans Affairs (who do have access to case files and data to make a more accurate assessment)?

http://www.ptsd.va.gov/public/pages/men-sexual-trauma.asp

Do you think they're "lying" too, or is it only me?

 

on this we agree and was the policy we introduced in our soccer club. No men without a child on the team could coach unless there was a parent along side that man as an assistant. That even went for the teams where we had paid professional coaches.

With 96.6% of adults engaging in heterosexual sex it's natural to protect the girls given that the majority of pedophiles are men.

Where we lose visibility is with gay men. We have no idea what people do in their bedroom and while we look to protect the girls, and it's apparent who is a male , we seem to forget that homosexual pedophiles will prey on the little boys much like heterosexual pedophiles prey on little girls. In hindsight, we took risks because we enacted the policy for all teams, but would bend when it came to male teams. We allowed child-less men to coach boys teams by themselves if we could not find a parent to assist.

 

But, this is 2013, the year following Comrade Obama's miraculous "evolution" on homosexuality. Now we've got his endorsement of queer-marriage, openly queer behavior in the military -- why not go all the way and add endorsement of the butt-buggering of children! Obama could invite this scout leader to the White House for the presentation of the first-ever "Man-Boy Love" award!

Vladimir Putin got it wrong when he chided Americans for thinking we are exceptional. We have become truly exceptional in the opening years of the 21st-Century! Exceptionally misguided, perverted, debased, and depraved while we continue our downward slide into national ruin....

 

3 million annual cases of pedophilia? Is that in US? Then there have to be over 200 million pedophiles in US!
Oh wait, you don't mean people having pedophilia? Is that your nonsense terminology? Pedophilia is a predominant erotic attraction to prepubescent children. Pedophilia isn't any act.

Nonsense. Pedophiles are attracted to children ant they usually strongly prefer children of one sex. Pedophiles typically don't want to have sexual power over children. Exceptions exists. Pedophiles much more often than other people see children as equal to them. Pedophiles typically have romantic feelings to children, but they usually don't show them.

There are people among those, who molest children, who enjoy having power over children. But mostly they aren't pedophiles. Those can be sexual sadists or sociopaths. Some of them are also pedophiles, but majority aren't.

 

ahh, another with word games. I'm sure the victims appreciate your concern

 

If we keep using misleading terms, then we'll do mistakes because of that and we'll make bad decisions based on such mistakes.

 

there is nothing misleading that I typed; allow me to repeat myself so we're clear.

I am confident that the parents of the victims, and the victims themselves will take great comfort that you are so concerned over the words.

 

So eliminating the possibility of recidivism is no good?

According to The Leadership Council on Child Abuse & Interpersonal Violence, recidivism rates among child molesters varies from 10% to 40% depending on the time frame being examined.

http://www.leadershipcouncil.org/1/res/rcd.html

Now I'm not going to attempt to verify their numbers, but if there is any validity to their claims, then it seems to me that a lot fewer children would be molested if the molesters were put to death.

The idea that molesters would go to greater lengths to keep from being caught may be true, but I'll wager than in the long run, fewer children would be molested if for no other reason than there being fewer molesters.

 

It's possible, of course. On the other hand, we've seen people get charged with that under some iffy circumstances, like a guy bopping an underage teen who was nevertheless mature (to an extent) and consenting, and possibly concealing her age.

So, I suppose if the sentencing is flexible, it works.

 

"Homosexuality" is a misleading term, used to trap you into thinking heterophobes have merely a different version of a normal human drive. There is nothing sexual at all about it.

 

And you are Pikachu, right?

 

Yes an unsupported distinction.

 

Pedophilia and homosexuality are not mutual exclusive as you seem to be asserting. They can be quite concurrent as the numbers seem to show and in fact the occurrence of homosexuality in pedophilia is far disproportionate to the number of males who engage in homosexuality in the general population. The range seems to be somewhere between 40-50% of male pedophilia is against boys, that is far higher than the number of men who engage in homosexuality. Meaning there should be a higher red flag when it comes to homosexual males and young boys versus heterosexual males.

 

Would you prefer he say "statutory rape and pedophilia" then or can we just lump all under age sex together and use the term pedophilia to generalize since both are serious offenses against young people.

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OK what term would you prefer we all agree on to use to encompass both since both are serious matters and we are all talking about both.

 

Dodge noted. Is it 51-49 since that would be less? In what percentage of male pedophilia is the target same sex, homosexual?

Or shall you keep dancing?

 

what am I dancing around? the percentage is less. you have no argument.

 

I've been very clear about what I'm asserting.

They can also be quite divergent.

No a higher red flag when it comes to males.

http://www.ptsd.va.gov/public/pages/...ual-trauma.asp