The Nazi Party was not Right-Wing

Ah yes, it says 'socialist' therefore there's no arguing with that. If the Nazis had called themselves The National Hamster Owner's Association would it have made any difference to how they behaved?
Hitler was a sneaky bastard, and was quite happy to have people fooled into believing that 'socialist' meant exactly that.

 

The Nazis never had any interests in the mechanics of government. They wanted to remove it, and did

Oh and I am still waiting for answer from you about who voted for the Nazis

 

Oh yeah. NAzis are well known for small limited government. Not a bureau and a investigative outfit to manage the nation.

C'mon guy! They had art boards. Housing. Farming. Automotive boards. Steel production. Etc.. Etc... The most detailed and record driven bearucravybthe world have ever known until then.

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That is why I talked about their platform and what they did. Someone else made the name argent pointing to the Irish Republican Party or something along those lines.

What hitler policy was a move to the right from previous polices?

 

No - start here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_Fire_Decree

Then progress to here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933

Any questions get back to me

And oh who voted for the Nazis?

 

I do believe that there were no previous policies in place concerning the murder, beating and/or incarceration of anyone voicing dissent. Roehm's Brownshirts saw to that. The Gestapo didn't exist as an organ of government security policy either, prior to the rise of the Third Reich.

 

A minority of voters. Next?

Those aren't right wing anything. They are authoritarian. Policies like that are found in left wing soviet Russia and right wing Pinochet lead chile. Get the difference between authoritarian and anti authoritarian left v right we use in America to consistently graph views on political positions?

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Authoritarianism. That isn't right wing. Smashing capitalist shops and the like isnt free market. Stalin did all these things at the same time. Was he right wing? Or was he authoritarian like hitler?

 

Who were they? Why are you struggling with this. Should I provide you some links to German election results from 1929 to Nov 1933?

 

Sure. That would help because I am not sure you are getting left v right.

 

There really is no educating you, is there? Ok, since you consider both fascism and communism as left-wing, perhaps you could tell us what you consider as right-wing?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_1928

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_1930

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_July_1932

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_November_1932

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_March_1933

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_election,_November_1933

 

Why is your pint with all this? Did you checkout the centre party? They were the closest thing to right wing at the time. Germany was very leftist after Marx, look at those commie numbers!

 

Why dont those commie numbers change if the Nazis were a left wing organization. Why didn't the Social Democrats vote for him if he was a left wing organization?

 

So then your sole purpose on this forum isn't to debate but just have others tell you that you are right.

Please leave the forum then. People who are here only for self affirmation and not debate only make it worse not better.

Why in your infinite wisdom would a conservative revisionists who admires Hitler be distancing himself from Hitler by saying he was a leftwing socialist? Wouldn't a conservative who admires Hitler be saying that Hitler was like himself and not be putting distance between himself and Hitler?

I think that if you want some affirmation on how smart you are you need to start putting forward more logical reasoned arguments that aren't so easily debunked.

 

Which made up what % of the population? Marxism begins from the understanding that some of the population will have to be purged. Fascists simply extend that thinking.

 

Hitler didn't even come up with the name, Anton Drexler did. Drexler believed in an nationalist anti-capitalist Jewish free version of socialism.

You argument is a non-sequitor. Just because some rare times the name of a misnomer does not mean that the name is misnomer. Most of the time the name is a very accurate description of the party. In the early days of the US we had the Democratic-Republcians and the Federalists both names are very accurate descriptions of the parties. Today we have the republicans and the democrats both still accurate names, with republicans favoring rule of law, and democrats favoring rule of man.

Your argument that because sometimes the name is misnomer holds not water because you cant support it. Because it could be a misnomer does not mean it is. You have to support the argument.

As I have said many times in this thread. The inability of the other side to make arguments without resorting to logical fallacies as you are doing is prima fascia evidence that they are arguing a false premise.

 

And you want to try and make the case that Hitler turned Germany into a socialist paradise in 1933?

 

For the vast majority of the population he did.

Socialism has never been about all people enjoying socialism. Marx argues for a bloodbath of terror. Its just a question of who gets killed and who enjoys socialism.

 

Examples?

 

You've never read Marx, thank you for making that blatantly clear.

 

No its proof that you have never read Marx or Engels.

http://www.orgonelab.org/MarxEngelsQuotes.htm


They believed that the use of terror was essential to maintaining the revolution. And I'm not talking about some jihadist with a bomb strapped to his chest. I'm talking about marching people up to the guillotine and chopping their head off for all to see.

 

Price controls, mandatory wages, guaranteed employment, generous social welfare program etc. etc.

National Socialism is just that nationalist socialism. The vast majority get socialism. Only a small minority gets sent to the gas chamber.

 

Price control has existed for at least 2500 years. Would you consider the Roman Empire to be a socialist left wing entity, or the English monarchy. It was introduced in Germany as an anti inflation mechanism to try and encourage international investment in Germany

There was no such in Nazi Germany, there was a wage freeze. You could not be promoted, could not get a pay rise or change jobs. Again an anti inflation mechanism introduced by the Nazis

Again there was no such thing. The Nazis considered being unemployed to be a crime against the German people. Labor exchanges were regularly combed for long term unemployed people who were taken away for protective custody (code for concentration camp) and underwent an attitude adjustment.

The Nazis inherited the social welfare programs from the previous government. The only welfare the Nazis introduced was a bonus for women having three or more children, and during the war a promise of extra fresh milk rations for nursing mothers.

It was so easy to be put in jail or sent to protective custody the Nazis had to create an amnesty for 740,000 Germans in 1936 because their detention centers had become so clogged as to be unworkable. At one point the Gestapo produced statistics that up to 85% of Germans had been reported for anti German activity between 1933 and 1937

 

Nationalist Socialism is a contradiction in terms.

You cannot be xenophobic, homophobic, anti-Semitic, anti-immigrant, anti-internationalism, and a Socialist.

One of the key elements of Socialism, is the unity of all working people around the world. We are all united in a class struggle against the very small & powerful wealthy class.

If you don't support this idea, you are not a Socialist.

 

There is only one key element in socialism. The use of the means of production to serve the common good. Everything else you listed are various flavors of socialism.

As has been pointed out to you multiple times there are plenty of xenophobic, homophobic, anti-Semitic, anti-immigrant, anti-internationalism socialists throughout the 20th century.

How many times do you have to be reminded that Che hated black people!!!

 

The Nazis also opposed abortion rights.

That makes them right-wing.