Part 13 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

I already tried many times to seek help but he refuses to be helped.

It is one thing for a person to have Faith and believe in a GOD.

It is entirely another thing for a person to become a PRISONER of their own Religious DOGMA.

Even Pope John Paul II was smart enough to realize....Hey! There are some things in the Bible that are really F@#%$! UP....and we have to tell the Faithful to not take some things literally but instead understand the moral lesson of such outlandish stories because if the Church does not evolve it will eventually become IRRELEVANT.

AboveAlpha

 

You have no clue what you are talking about. There is no Trinity in the NT.

You have not studied early Christian fathers or the history of the early church so quit pretending you know things you don't have a clue about.

Look, do yourself and the rest of us a favor and look up Origin believed in relation to the divinity of Christ.

Until you do some research ... quit talking about things you know nothing about.

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Satan asked Jesus to worship him = Satan did not think he was God

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Jesus was calling to God. What do you mean "he became one with God" Either Jesus is God or he is not

Was there a time when Jesus was not God ?

That is in a different book. Different Gospels have Jesus saying different things.

What does this have to do with Jesus forgetting that he was God and calling out to himself in a state of masochistic delirium.

No

I have and do but you ignore or deny scripture.

I know that Jesus did not like people who justified killing of babies. Jesus liked little children.

 

Show me where in the Bible it says that the Amalekites were killing Hebrew babies. Liar.

Now you lie again. I never said that God was not on the side of good.

I say that you are on the side of evil by trying to justify killing of babies.

So you do admit that killing babies is tyrannical. Since God ordered the killing of babies then he is a tyrant by your definition.

 

I have many time yours and others God can not die that was proven with the Resurrection.

 

You are actually referring to yourself that is why you can not understand or have a clue what you yourself is talking about. I never said there is the actual word Trinity I said the Trinity has been imply many times in the Bible the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost it would be in the 2nd century that church fathers will finally realized what it meant.

The Bible is very clear and this declaration from Jesus Christ himself pre-dates the church fathers of the 3rd century. Amazing that you have no clue what you are talking about Jesus Christ was already being worship and recognize as the Son of God 200 years before Tertullian of 200 AD recognize the existence of the Trinity.
Matthew 16:
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

I am doing you and every one else a great favor and that is sharing to you the truth the truth that you seem to be intentionally ignoring. If Christ is not Divine there was no reason for him to be crucified.

Actually my research is well confirm and yours is so far contradictory to facts of the Bible and Biblical history.

Well you are again denying Biblical gospel.
Matthew 4:
3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”

4 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”

5 Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. 6 “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:

“‘He will command his angels concerning you,
and they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’[c]”
7 Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’[d]”

8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor.

9 “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”

10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.

Satan knew Jesus is the Son of God but he was not sure that is why Satan dare Jesus to prove that if he is the Son of God “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”

Jesus is God and God in order to free us from our sins he became man and after Jesus resurrected he return to become one with God or with Himself again. There is only one answer no either and that is Jesus is God.
"Because you have seen me and believe, blessed are those who have not seen me and yet believe"

Nope.

Jesus have said many things but one thing that he is consistent is that He is the Son of God for that he was crucified because Jesus refused to deny he is not the Son of God.

None, because Jesus never forgot that is why in the cross he forgave everyone including his tormentors and executioners.

You have not posted any Scriptures only your personal view of Biblical Gospels that I have posted.

Then you should also understand that God is against wicked and evil and on the side of good.

 

Ok Mr. Liar here are your Biblical prove that the Amalekites were killing Hebrew babies'
Deuteronomy 25: 17 Remember what the Amalekites did to you along the way when you came out of Egypt.
18 When you were weary and worn out, they met you on your journey and attacked all who were lagging behind; they had no fear of God.

The Amelekite were killing every Hebrew yes every Hebrew women, old men,weak, children and babies that were slow in keeping up with the main Hebrew group. These Amalekites were like wolves prying on the weak snipping the Hebrews one by one from the rear.

And again in:
Esther 3:5 When Haman saw that Mordecai would not kneel down or pay him honor, he was enraged.
6 Yet having learned who Mordecai’s people were, he scorned the idea of killing only Mordecai. Instead Haman looked for a way to destroy all Mordecai’s people, the Jews, throughout the whole kingdom of Xerxes.

7 In the twelfth year of King Xerxes, in the first month, the month of Nisan, the pur (that is, the lot) was cast in the presence of Haman to select a day and month. And the lot fell on[a] the twelfth month, the month of Adar.

8 Then Haman said to King Xerxes, “There is a certain people dispersed among the peoples in all the provinces of your kingdom who keep themselves separate. Their customs are different from those of all other people, and they do not obey the king’s laws; it is not in the king’s best interest to tolerate them.
9 If it pleases the king, let a decree be issued to destroy them, and I will give ten thousand talents of silver to the king’s administrators for the royal treasury.”

10 So the king took his signet ring from his finger and gave it to Haman son of Hammedatha, the Agagite, the enemy of the Jews.
11 “Keep the money,” the king said to Haman, “and do with the people as you please.”

Haman an Amalekite that has gain favor in King Xerxes palace convince the Persian King to issue an edict to wipe out the Jews.

So is God on the side of God or not? Do not lie you just said you do not lie.

You lie I never said killing innocent babies is justify you in fact use innocent babies to protect the wicked and evil.

Yes of course didn't I said that killing of innocent babies is tyrannical.

Nope because the wicked and evil Amalekites the same tribe that was out to exterminate the entire Hebrew people the death of those babies lies not on God's hand but on the hand of those wicked and evil Amalekites.

 

WOW!!!

You are equating the DEATH of a GOD with a Physical Human Death?

First of all IF...a GOD exists and that is a BIG IF....a GOD would NOT have concerns of the Flesh. Now Jesus was supposedly the Son of GOD but as anyone who has any knowledge of exactly HOW the New Testament was created....they will understand WHY only 4 Apostles Gospels are used and the other 8 Apostles Gospels were NOT as what went in to the New Testament and what did not go in was SELECTED BY MEN....the Biblical Canon created by Emperor Constantine.

Now....the New Testament took Hundreds of Years to be created and some Books were considered and turned down and other were considered and added into the New Testament and then there are those books like Revelation which were considered and turned down OVER AND OVER AGAIN....as the EVER CHANGING MEMBERS OF THE BIBLICAL CANON....THE MEN WHO CREATED THE NEW TESTAMENT....thought that Revelation was TOO VIOLENT AND TOO CRAZY A BOOK, CONCEPT AND IDEA TO BE PLACED INTO THE NEW TESTAMENT.

The Biblical Canon felt that Revelation was more of a Angry Vengeance is Mine version of GOD like in the Old Testament and Revelation was refused entry into the New Testament over and over again until after several hundred years....the Churches POLITICAL IDEOLOGY CHANGED....and a Revelation was added.

Now as to WHY....only 4 Apostles Gospels were used...Matthew, Mark, Luke and John....and the OTHER 8 APOSTLES GOSPELS WERE NOT USED...that is because the Biblical Canon wanted congruence throughout the New Testament.

The Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John stated that Jesus taught he was the ACTUAL SON OF GOD.

The Gospels of the other 8 Apostles stated Jesus taught ALL MEN COULD BECOME THE SON'S AND DAUGHTER'S OF GOD BY FOLLOWING HIS TEACHINGS!!!

So....if one ACTUALLY KNOWS HOW THE NEW TESTAMENT WAS CREATED BY THE EVER CHANGING MEN WHO COMPRISED THE BIBLICAL CANON....then that person can understand WHY....the members of the Biblical Canon chose ONLY the Gospels of those 4 Apostles of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and did not include the numerous Gospels of the other 8 Apostles that did NOT state Jesus taught he was the actual SON of GOD.

The thing is WanRen....unfortunately YOU view such Historical Facts and Realities as if they were an ATTACK upon Christianity or an ATTACK upon the Bible.

They are not...they are just simply FACTS AND REALITIES.

And why is it that the TRUTH should EVER be considered an ATTACK or BAD?

My point is....for some people believing in a GOD or having Faith in a Religion is a GOOD THING....some people really NEED such assurances....but not everyone does.

You really need to LEARN how to come to terms with certain facts, realities and truths without getting angry as after all....THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE!

AboveAlpha

 

There are many stories written over 2000 years ago where some dude was resurrected. Do you believe all these stories ?

 

As I said ... you lie. Not one place is a baby even mentioned.

Haman was Agagite not Amalakite. making up lies again for Jesus.



You really need to stop making things up dude.

 

What kind of book do you think the Bible is?...a medical book?

I can only tell you that the reason early humans lived such long lives was because they were so close to the man that God created and what God creates was perfect from the beginning. That is until sin entered the human race.
Sin is destructive and the continuing sin through the generations had a cumulative effect. By the time Abraham was born, the life spans had shrunk considerably.

Even though Abraham lived to 175 years, Moses lived only 120 years. The effects of the fall of man, which happened in the Garden of Eden, had an effect. The creation had fallen with the fall of man. God cursed the land after Adam and Eve sinned. No longer would the environment be perfect. Even nature itself would be feeling the effects of sin.
And so because of sin, forget about humans ever living as long as 950 years again, cause it isn't going to happen, not with the destructive power of sin in the world.

Not at all. The issue of sickness is always a difficult one to deal with especially when it involves such a young person. In a world tainted by sin, sickness, disease, and death will always be with us. We are fallen beings, with physical bodies prone to disease and illness that could strike us at any age.

Early humans who lived long lives had nothing to do with them worshipping God, that is the way it was until sin entered the world as I have explained it earlier.

There is no such thing as people dying for no reason at all, we all are going to die someday, young, old, whatever the age, and there is certainly always a reason why we die.

When you refrain from comitting evil, wicked, vile, repulsive acts you are essentially worshipping God. For He wants us to always live the righteous way.

But of course I know atheists and all other non-believers don't see it that way. I just don't know what they see in their world of having no faith in God, the Creator of all existence!

If you asked an atheist how did existence come to be?...they will say, "I don't know but it wasn't created by God."...lol

 

If you think God is the creator of all existence you better have a talk with your buddy WanRen.

You need to tell him that God created all things evil including Satan.

 

Sorry but I find your question to be unclear, it is vague and so I can't answer it, maybe if you trying asking it in a much more clearer way it will certainly help me in giving you an answer. Are you referring to the passage where Jesus is confronted by a rich man?

 

Saying God is the creator of all existence is not the same as saying God created all things evil including Satan.

If you are suggesting that God brought evil into the world, or purposely made Satan evil then you are wrong.

God is not the author of evil, God did not create all things evil. Satan exercising his free will rebelled against God, he disobeyed God and chose to be evil.

Our first parents Adam and Eve also exercised their free will choice of disobeying God, that is how sin (evil) entered into the world, thus God did not create all things evil including Satan.

A true Christian will never say, "God created all things evil including Satan"

 

No...actually YOU are wrong.

Satan is Lucifer...an ARC ANGEL...brother to Michael and Gabriel and Rafael and 4 other Arc Angels.

Lucifer being an angel was according to the Bible...created by GOD....and Lucifer refused to bow down to Man as this is what GOD supposedly asked him to do and Michael was ordered by GOD to cast his own Brother out of Heaven.

It is written that GOD loved Lucifer more than all the other Angels...more than Michael...more than Gabriel...GOD loved Lucifer the most...but because Lucifer refused to bow down before Man and serve Man...he was cast out of Heaven.

For someone who is so Religious you certainly are lacking a great deal in basic knowledge.

AboveAlpha

 

Hey cupid, what is your belief? Where is this 950,000 years coming from? And the 22 different species going extinct 40,000 years ago?

 

When God wrote the Bible it was not intended to be a medical book. Besides why would He give us the blueprint of the physical process, when He eventually made it so that humans would only live up to 120 years or so?

He didn't tell us.

Again, He didn't tell us.

No, He didn't tell anyone.

No, it doesn't.

Well, you're right it is not explained anywhere, the Bible's focus was not on the longevity of early human lives.

At the time I wasn't even aware of it.

Sorry but because I wasn't aware of it I have no idea.

 

so, you have no scientific explanation at all as to how humans lived to be 950 yrs old and you have no evidence at all that they did other than what another man wrote in a story. Is that correct?

 

They didn't. Some scribe mixed the Sumerian sexigesimal numbering system - based on 60 - with the Semetic decimal system - based on 10. This occurs in another pre-flood civilisation records - long lives before the flood, shorter after the flood. The scribe was following the previous handed down 'records'.
Whadda mistakea to makea. ooops no, I'm not English Italian

 

NO, AS USUAL you did NOT:


Originally Posted by WanRen
I understand for thousands of years many people have been trying to kill God and they never succeeded that is why they tried to kill Christians instead. God can not die [/B]no matter what you do.



Originally Posted by FoxHastings
Then why do you keep saying he did die.....can't you even read your own posts!?!!!?????


Originally Posted by WanRen
Again according to you God did not die for you [B]according to me God died for our sins and that you too will be save.""""""""""""""""""

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Talking out of both sides of your mouth....typical bible-confusionist...

 

You are no doubt unfamiliar with the Bible and quite confused.

 

And this is where your ignorance comes into play. God being omniscient knew before he created anything that all those things would happen. He created angels and humans, knowing they would become 'wicked and evil'.
Yet you claim God did not know this was going to happen? Or if he did know all his creations would become 'wicked and evil' and created them anyway, then a = b = God created evil.

 

Not as confused as those who ARE familiar with the bible.


And it seems the purpose of the bible is TO confuse.

 

Is god omniscient? Did he know that this would happen? Are all things part of gods plan?
Or not.

 

What are other form of death are you and others are referring to? Physical or spiritual God can not die He is the Alpha and Omega.

The flesh is for men that is why Jesus Christ was very clear "My Kingdom i snot of this World" and the reason why the Pharisees rejected Jesus because Jesus was not about to give them their false expectation of a God that is going to give them an empire, power and wealth.

The reason why there were only 4 Gospels out of the 12 Apostles was because the other 8 met their death even before any of their followers or themselves could put down in writings their experience and preaching about Jesus Christ. Some writings that would be presented as that of Thomas were discovered and after careful research it was determine to be forgery.

Constantine role was mainly to stop the persecution of Christianity and his attempt to stop the growing division in which many individuals started to move away from the original teachings of Christ this include Christ as the Son of God and worship as God.

It would seem that you do not understand how the NT was put together it was not created by Constantine it was put together by the church fathers they have gathered all the manuscript studied them and carefully research and separated the forge or fake ones from the authentic ones. Constantine gave the church fathers that opportunity to gather and study all evidences without fear of punishment before it was difficult to do so because of Roman edicts and laws that ban and outlawed Christianity.

Your insistent that the NT and the God Christ was all created by Constantine run counter to actual facts of history that Jesus Christ was crucified because he refused to deny he is not God he refuse to deny he is not the Messiah. The persecution of Christianity up until 300 AD was due to the fact that because Christians refused to worship Roman emperor or their gods.

http://oce.catholic.com/index.php?title=Curricula:_Church_History

Truth is never consider an attack only when truth is use as a camouflage for falsehood and we have seen many of this.

I understand that not everyone believe in God that is why we have atheist but to try to discredit and distort religious history to justify atheism is wrong.

I have long time ago learn how to come to terms with facts, realities and truth and when ever I encounter atheist who are determine to discredit Christian history I notice their passion, high strung attitude and anger that they will never accept facts, history, science and truth. As you said TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE unfortunately you have not yet free yourself yet

 

How would you know if you are not familiar with the Bible? LOL! That is a nice Pee Wee Herman impression though.