Russia Fires Back With Its Own Evidence

Sounds like it is a fact, because it is a fact, fact, fact!

Sample. You are giraffe. No evidence presented by you that it is a fake.

Please find in internet proven facts who author of this photos and videos and when it happened.

 

Did the Russian 'evidence' show the location of insurgent SAM launchers? Legit question as I cannot make heads nor tail of the pic. If not then its blatantly disingenuous and cannot be trusted.

We know the insurgents have them because they've shot down Ukraine aircraft recently... or was that magic, or perhaps the Russians themselves!? Let me guess, Russia will say that the Ukranian's shot down their own military aircraft. Yea, good show Moscow, keep drinking that vodka.

 

the CIA has it.

 

Ya unsubstantiated Russian stills claiming that an SU-25 was flying 10 thousand ft above its max ceiling.

 

Ah yes and this is the level of intellect we get from the Putin supporters of mass murderers. Without a shred of evidence the claim in all seriousness is made that Human Rights Watch and the United Nations both work for the CIA, touche sir, but one thing is still unclear, are all three really just working for the shape shifting alien reptiles? Or perhaps the Jews?

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Yes we know it is a fact that the SU 25 was flying 10 thousand feet above its max ceiling, and Sukhoi is in on the conspiracy, touche sir.

 

What don't you understand about the fact that the Russians are claiming it was an SU-25 not an SU26, 27, 29 or any other designation?

Sorry sport but Sukhoi would be the official source in this case and they make it abundantly clear that the max ceiling is 23,000 feet and that you are just wrong but I guess they don't know the specifications of the planes that they build.

Aircraft performance
Take-off weight:
- Normal (with 500 + 2hFAB 2hR-73E), kg 14440
- Maximum, kg 19300
Landing weight
- Normal (without pods), kg 11020
- Maximum, kg 13200
Maximum combat load, kg 4000
Ceiling (without pods), km 7
Maximum speed at sea level (without pods), km / h 950
The maximum number of M (without pods) 0.82
Maximum operating load +6.5 / -2.0
Flight range without pendants, km:
- At the ground, km 500
- At height, km 1000
- With 4hPTB-800 (with reset), km 1850
Takeoff:
- Normal take-off mass, m 500
- With a maximum take-off mass, m 1050
Path length:
- With normal landing weight, m 550
- With a maximum landing weight, m 750
Aircraft dimensions:
- Length, m 15.05
- Span, m 14.5
- Height, m 2
Crew 1
Power plant
Number and type of engines 2hR-195
Link to the maximum, kgf 4500
Avionics
1. Aimed navigation system
1.1 The information display system and management structure:
1.1.1. Onboard digital device
1.1.2. Reflex Aviation indicator
1.1.3. Multifunction color display on the LCD
1.1.4. Output data generating unit
1.1.5. Block input system information
1.1.6. Voltage regulator
1.1.7 Block synthesizing cartographic information
1.2. Satellite navigation system
1.3. Inertia navigation system
1.4. Radiofrequency range navigation system
1.5. Doppler ground speed and drift angle
1.6. Radio altimeter
1.7. An air signals
1.8. Laser range finding and illumination station
1.9. Apparatus forming control signals
2. Radio equipment:
2.1. Connected station
2.2. Communication station with the ground troops
2.3. Hardware speech information
2.4. IFF transponder
2.5. Automatic Direction Finder
2.6. Token radio receiver
2.7. Aircraft responder
3. Equity electronic countermeasures
3.1. Station warning radar illumination
3.2. Automatic ejection of clutter
3.3. Compact jammer (container)
4. Recording equipment, control and alarm
4.1. Airborne surveillance system and registration information
4.1.1. Video recording system
4.1.2. On-board system of recording the results of combat employment
4.2. Alarm system
4.3. Onboard recording device of flight parameters
4.3.1. Onboard storage with solid-state flash memory
4.4. Universal flight recorder
5. Weapons control system

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Thanks for playing but your apologetics for the mass murdering Russian terrorists has failed.

 

Same for your photos.
But there's a little difference - mine link is from usual people like me. Even if it's fake (and I'm seriously doubt that it is fake).
But yours fake photos - from your minister of defence.
Can you feel the difference?

 

What were those other aircraft shot down with and what altitude were they flying?

 

You were very inattentive. The report said about the unidentified object. Dumb General made ​​the assumption that it could be a Su-25. Only assumption. As Obama made assumption that rebels could shoot down the plane. So I do not understand why suddenly all the fuss.

Per minute at the point of accident an unidentified object was detected at an altitude of 10 km and at a speed of 400km/h. This object remains on the radar and after the crash.

Do you have any other suggestions, what was it? Maybe UFO?

 

There seems to be a lot of dispute over what the real Tsar Bomba footage is, it might be this:
[video=youtube;JtlwVIBmJdQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtlwVIBmJdQ[/video]
Supposedly the explosion cloud went so high that it disrupted natural clouds over the site and shattered windows 310 miles away. This means that if you got in your car and drove for more than 5 hours straight away from the explosion site down a freeway, it would still break your car windows.

Most people are only rattling their sabres because they don't think this will escalate further, not because they particularly want it to escalate. Obama is fool enough to try, though.

 

One guy that was pilot in ussr army says `and how I should twist on this max height to point to the plane, to lock to the target and make shot?`

 

'mass murderers' eh? a very intellectual expression on your part indeed...

the evidence is who profits from the activity of the above mentioned, these days, the West does, this is obvious.

 

About which minister you talking? Sergey Shoigu? He was not on a briefing. Andrey Kartapalov (Deputy Chief of the General Staff) leads this briefing. Sorry...

No difference.

Listen, I think that responsibility for all rests on IT companies. Try to think with "obamalogiс".

1. They deliver computers to the mad bloggers.
2. They support the mad bloggers when they create fakes.
3. Only confrontation and war is goal that can be achieved by using a fakes.
4. In their dreams the whole world spent all time in blogs war. They have imperial desires.

I hate Apple (IBM, HP, Dell, MS - choice as you wish). They are the devil's henchmen. They entered into a distribution agreement with the devil for human souls. Today to sell your soul to the devil no longer need to sign with blood on sheepskins. Just click "I agree" to the license agreement. All your negative energy will be focused on the confrontation and you will play into the devil game.

Sanctions is the only thing that can stop presumptuous IT companies. If you do not accept the sanctions today, tomorrow the civilized world will mired in blogs war.

Such is the "obamalogic".

 

the Court will sort it out

 

True, if you mean Court of God.

 

I mean the Court of Justice (in all meanings of this word) and it sould be sooner then court of god

 

Nothing personal. In the example above, I would like to demonstrate that in fact today it does not matter who actually shot down the plane. Obama and his administration uses a "false flag" to maximum pressure on Russia. Tactical goal is the overthrow of Putin. Strategic - to gain control over natural resources through the establishment of the puppet government.

With regard to tactical goals I agree. Putin should leave as soon as possible. But here is strategically - then I have serious objections. Liberasts did not do anything for Russia. I've had enough of chaos in 90s. Regime is not perfect. But today the Russian economy is not just ahead of the former Soviet republics, it is on 6-7 place in the world. What will happen when the puppet government of oligarchs? Since my family is strongly linked to Russia, I think, anything good for me or for my family.

Ukraine for US today has a function of key. But when the Russia doors will opened for them, used key thrown in the trash. If they manage to bring to power in Russia the same controlled oligarchs as in the Ukraine today, all conflicts will be resolved simply. In the dispute between Russia and Ukraine, USA take a benefit side - from Russia they can pump out much more. Nothing personal, just business.

 

Yeah, right. The country bumpkins that are now armed with Russian weapons, tanks, rockets. Yeah, Russia has nothing to do with this. They can move to Russia if they don't like the country they are in.

 

It matter.
But at this point there is a fact that your Andrey Kartapalov (Deputy Chief of the General Staff, as you have said) - has lied.

 

He is also too addicted to internet fakes like many on this forum. I advice you do not dwell on this fact. Try to assess the situation strategically and more widely. I understand now for you it matter. The reason - the patriotic sentiments. Try to see up and to assess what will be the difference between guilt of Ukrainian military, which will hide the Americans, and guilt of rebels, that Americans inflate. There is no difference. Guilty in the eyes of the "progressive international community" will be Russia. "False flag" tactic Americans have worked dozens of times. If it was not Boeing, it should have been invented.

 

I expect more evidence pointing at Kiev will emerge, when the probe is progressing.

 

Of course it will emerge from Russia. More propaganda.

 

And nonproofed charges from US.

New round of battle for stupid fools will be started. As soon as sun rise up on the east.

 

You are correct! I have found another link, from the Associated Press' Ken Dilanian, which supports your post: http://www.businessinsider.com/us-intelligence-russia-not-directly-involved-mh17-carsh-2014-7

Moreover, although western "news" media are doing their best to ignore the importance of the fact, evidently the doomed airliner was being escorted by two Ukrainian (UKRAINIAN) fighter jets, which broke away just before they were about to cross the border into the Russian Federation:
http://www.eturbonews.com/48079/ukraine-air-traffic-controller-suggests-kiev-military-shot-down-
http://theaviationist.com/2014/07/21/su-27s-escorted-mh17/
http://www.infowars.com/claim-mh17-was-being-escorted-by-ukrainian-fighter-jets/

In the recent observance of the 100 year anniversary of the beginning of World War I, I heard a number of people say,"So, they started a whole frickin' world war over nothing but some "Arch-Duke" and his wife being assassinated by some pissed-off nut job?!" The killing of these two people was a despicable crime, and so was the mass murder of 298 people aboard the civilian airliner. But that anybody would think either of these events a justifiable reason to start a world war that gets millions of people killed is insanity of the worst kind! Still, after listening to the war mongers in the U. S. after this very controversial airliner shoot-down, and all their saber-rattling, I can see that, obviously, we have learned little in all this time.

 

I have suspected this since the day of the MH17 crash.