Russia Fires Back With Its Own Evidence

Yes, the experts in the field I cited know precisely where it was fired from, which is precisely why it was impossible for it to have been Assad that was responsible...LOL.

 

No they don't know where it's fired from and the article does not say that at all it just gave their own estimate of the range of the missile, the UN and Human Rights Watch have provided the exact flight path of the missiles which put their origin point deep inside Syrian government controlled territory.

 

Using mathematical projections about the likely force of the rocket – which has been variously described as 'a trash can on a stick' and 'a soup can' – Lloyd and Postol conclude that the device likely had a maximum range of 2 kilometres, or just more than 1.2 miles. The 'trash can' was not capable of flying the 6 miles from the centre of the Syrian government-controlled part of Damascus to the point of impact in the suburbs, as claimed by the US government, nor even the 3.6 miles from the edges of government-controlled territory. Lloyd and Postol comment in their report:

'This indicates that these munitions could not possibly have been fired at east Ghouta from the "heart" or the eastern edge of the Syrian Government controlled area depicted in the intelligence map published by the White House on August 30, 2013.

http://medialens.org/index.php/aler...lity-filtering-sources-on-the-syrian-war.html

 

In December last year investigative journalist Seymour Hersh reported on his interviews with US intelligence and military personnel:

"I found intense concern, and on occasion anger, over what was repeatedly seen as the deliberate manipulation of intelligence. One high-level intelligence officer, in an email to a colleague, called the administration's assurances of Assad's responsibility a "ruse".'

http://medialens.org/index.php/aler...rsh-revelations-of-obama-s-syrian-deceit.html

 

The rebels in Donetsk have handed over the flight data recorders to Malaysian authorities, who will deliver them to the ICAO for their investigation.

http://rt.com/news/174448-malaysian-pm-mh17-statement/

 

Satellite photos on the website of the Ministry of Defense of the RF
http://stat.multimedia.mil.ru/multimedia/photo/gallery.htm?id=17402@cmsPhotoGallery

Data of unified air traffic management system of the RF
http://stat.multimedia.mil.ru/multimedia/video/clips/more.htm?id=5086@morfVideoAudioFile

Facts:
1. Before falling plane maneuvered and was out 14km from the air corridor
2. At this time the aircraft was in the affected area of three SAM
3. Location and movement of SAM recorded by satellite imagery
4. Before the accident in the area worked to 9 radars Kupol, after the accident only 4
5. Per minute at the point of accident an unidentified object was detected at an altitude of 10 km and at a speed of 400km/h. This object remains on the radar and after the crash.
6. Ukrainian Minister presented fake with SAM. Real place on video identified by posters.

Too little evidence to draw any conclusions.

 

ah these are hand in glove part to the same mafia controlled by the CIA.

 

Russians presented evidence in a documented form, with time and maps of every event. All questions have to be answered after careful analysis by independent specialists. Even records in black boxes can contain a clue. Traffic controllers in Kiev told the crew where and at what altitude to fly... to be better hit (?).

 

Yep they made an estimate regarding its range which is proven wrong due to the fact that we know the precise azimuth of the missiles, your source is wrong and so are you.

The UN investigation noted that the azimuth of two of the rockets could be determined based on their position embedded into the ground and/or the pattern of craters they created as they impacted the ground at a low angle. It drew no conclusions from this.
Responses

Independent analysts concluded that the two azimuths determined by the report intersect deep in Syrian-government-controlled territory, near Mount Qasioun, noting that this region has been the target of Israeli airstrikes against chemical weapons-capable surface-to-surface rocket launchers.[21] Based on analyses of the azimuths provided by the UN report, Human Rights Watch and The New York Times concluded the rockets that delivered the sarin were launched from areas under government control.[31][32] Specifically, the inspectors listed the precise compass directions of flight for two rocket strikes and these pointed to the government's elite centre in Damascus, Mount Qasioun.[33]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Report...the_Ghouta_Area_of_Damascus_on_21_August_2013

Now kindly (*)(*)(*)(*) off with your debunked nonsense.

 

A) We're not talking about that.

B) Your Russian attempts at a cover up do not impress me, it was the Malaysian airline that set their flight path which is the same flight path they always flew.

 

Shrapnel from the missile could easily get lodged in the passenger's bodies. Missiles do not explode into dust and blow away.

 

lol yes now HRW and the UN work for the CIA. -

 

Why would the Russian separatists shoot down other aircraft and not one more? Russia is losing this argument. They had no business tramping all over the evidence when they realized it was a commercial aircraft. No one wants their loved ones desecrated and video showed Russia doing just this. No one else was seen near that sight for days. This is all the world will remember when they decide who was at fault.

 

Ukrainian fighters have a max ceiling well below 30,000 feet and we already know that the Russian terrorists have the BUK system as well.

Service ceiling: 7,000 m[97] (22,965 ft) clean, 5,000 m (16,000 ft) with max weapons

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-25#Specifications_.28Su-25.2FSu-25K.2C_late_production.29

Nice try but no one is buying the Russian propaganda.

 

together with the CIA, this is how they work.

 

Clearly...the flight was never even shot down, but is instead being held in the limbo of the 7th dimensional membrane of another universe. Everything we see presented in the media is produced on a set in the fields of Nebraska by an alien studio from planet Hollywood which orbits a red dwarf star 47 light yrs. away. As for the Ukrainian civil war, The rogue robot Putin 762 has malfunctioned and deviated from it's preprogrammed mission to incorporate Crimson into it's painting without rushing.

 

Of course you have some evidence that the UN and HRW are puppets of the CIA right?

 

I think it was always 7000 meters indeed. Ukranian twitter army has nothing to do with it. The Sukhoi company will unlikely change the characteristics of the jet on their website: http://www.sukhoi.org/ in order to make Ukrainian twitters happy.

 

You are lying, because it's altitude is 5000 meters, so it was made higher BY YOU (I mean all of you)

 

That is the correct ceiling without external armament, it is even less if they are carrying air to air missiles. Frankly your assertion is FOS but don't take my word for it let's ask Sukhoi themselves whose website clearly states that the max altitude of the SU-25 without pods is 7km or appx. 23,000 feet which is 10,000 feet below the altitude which the Malaysian airliner was traveling:

http://translate.google.com/transla.../search?q=http://sukhoi.org/&biw=1025&bih=457

 

Sorry, my friend. Read careful my post - "unidentified object". It is a fact, not propaganda. I don't say anything about Su-25.

If you ask about propaganda, see your link on "Revision history" http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sukhoi_Su-25&action=history. It is very interesting battle. I don't see like this yearly.

In this article before 21.04.2014 for Su-25 max altitude was 10,000m, after - 7,000m. More then 50 (!) changes after publication of this briefing. It's a crazy battle!

Of course "unidentified object" can be Su-26, Su-27, Su-29 etc. You will change all Wikipedia articles?

 

Are you taking part in the adjustment of the articles in Wikipedia too? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sukhoi_Su-25&action=history
Most adjustments after the briefing is performed under Ukrainian IP addresses. A guilty conscience? Чує кіт чиє сало з'їв

 

"The medium range SAM system has received iterative upgrades over the years since it was first introduced in 1979. The range and capability of the system depends on the missile in use. The SA-11 was introduced in 1979 using the 9M38 missile that features a range of 3–19 miles and an altitude of 100–46,000 feet. In 1984, the SA-11 received the upgraded 9M38M1 missile which expanded the range to 22 miles and the altitude up to 72,000 feet."

Read more: http://defensetech.org/2014/07/17/4...d-shoot-down-the-malaysian-jet/#ixzz38CwbWiIg
Defense.org

As no one knows what hardware the Russians gave these folks...all we can do is assume it was somewhat current stock. Regardless, it was enough to down the airliner.

 

You are desperate liar too.
Until 20th there was 7000 meters. After 20th it was changed to 10 000.

 

According to satellite imagery of areas position of 9 similar SAM complexes was defined. At crash time aircraft was in the affected area of 3 SAM.



This is the data of the Ministry of Defense of the RF. According to their data the US military satellite was over an area of ​​crash at same time. I think for the sake of completeness we should wait for the photo report from this satellite.