Part 25 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Which you make up things not of the bible. Remember your worldwide cannibalism claim of every child, baby, and fetus? So, this puts you in company with?, you guessed it.

 

You didn't address the post. Are Abrahams descendants as numerous as the stars?

 

If you want to call me confused or claim that my theory is flawed the least you might offer is to state why.

 

Good show, and I agree completely.

 

It is humorous that you need a link to a dictionary to understand that one of the definitions of the word "believe" includes accepting something without proof.

Surely you are not illiterate and this is just another attempt to derail the convo through semantics.

 

Where in the Bible does it say this ? Are you making things up about the Bible again ? Who is compelling you to act with such deception ?

 

One thing I will say about MR is at least he seems to be coming to understand the fallacy of his own position which is why he will no longer respond to tough questions. Can not say the same about the other two musketeers.

 

Oh ... not the tired old Incorp "If I am shown to be wrong just challenge perception of reality an then I can not be proven to be wrong" trick.

If you do not believe any perception is valid then why are debating anything in reality. If you think perception can not prove anything than there is no point in debating anything.

Go Away

 

Dairy was referring to you WR. You are the one who makes up scripture in order to deceive.

 

Then "prove" it by showing PROOF.

 

In your opening statement above, you have used quotation marks, indicating that you are in fact quoting someone. Who are you quoting and where is a link to the source of that quote.

If you continue in your tirade about "Reality can not be proven." (your words from a posting of yours on this thread), then why are you attempting to call the kettle black when you are doing just what you have accused me of doing?

 

I already explained to you two or three now that the fact that we perceive is proof that reality exists. What can not be proven is that this perception is an accurate description of reality that can be proven true or false.

Is this disingenuous ignorance or just ignorance ?

In any case, I do not use "denial of reality" arguments in an attempt to not be proven wrong like you do. Quit making false accusations.

 

Wrong again. Unless there is some physiological problem which would alter the perception (such as color blindness), then the perception would be very accurate. However, the 'description' which one would use to explain his/her perception might well be ineffective in declaring an accurate description of what he/she perceived. It is undoubtedly the 'description' (a rendering that is subjective) will not produce an accurate and effective "description" or portrayal of the perception.

You tell me... it is you who is saying that "the fact that we perceive is proof that reality exists". We 'conclude' that something exists and some would prefer to call it 'reality', yet that 'reality' as described by others might not be in accord to the manner in which you would describe that something that was perceived. So, once again, what is reality?

Even though you have not yet PROVEN me wrong, you maintain that you are right. Interesting. So where is the PROOF that I am wrong?

BTW: Intuition is a means of perceiving.

 

Now you engage in further fallacy by asking me to prove a negative. I can not prove that I have not used the denial of reality argument (challenging the validity of perception itself) to stop from losing an argument.

Show where I have done this. It up to you to prove your claim.

On the other hand you use this argument on a regular basis.

 

Yes I remember Genesis 6:5 and your claim that God punished the good and not the evil and your claim that cannibalism is not evil. That is why I agree with your statement that which you seem to be contradicting yourself because you are now insisting that what is outside of the Bible is actually the truth.

Quote Originally Posted by dairyair View Post
Lest ye not forget.
Satan is very clever and is a deceiver and deceives those who seek for truth outside the Bible.

 

Yes, Abraham's descendants are numerous as the stars Ishmael and Isaac both. The Twelve Tribe of Israel spread out all over the world in Asia, Africa, and American continent not to mention their very much everywhere leading in science, medicine, engineering, technology and trades.

 

Quote Originally Posted by dairyair View Post
Lest ye not forget.
Satan is very clever and is a deceiver and deceives those who seek for truth outside the Bible.

Best ask dairy he knows a lot about Satan.

 

Quote Originally Posted by dairyair View Post
Lest ye not forget.
Satan is very clever and is a deceiver and deceives those who seek for truth outside the Bible.

Yes I acknowledge dairy's claim and I agree that Satan is very clever and is a deceiver and deceives those who seek for truth outside the Bible. That is why your claims about the Bible are all wrong because you are basing it all outside of the Bible.

 

TY for confirming my little statement.
And continuing to deceive and twist as well.
Please show where I said god punished the good and claimed cannibalism isn't evil. I'll wait.

There are many truth's outside the bible. Humans are of the great ape family is one of them.

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You're a great teacher.

 

Your buddy dairyair made the quote, can't you see in WanRen's post that the post in question was originated by your buddy?...lol

Here below is the official quote from the dairy man, note that when you click on the little blue box next to his name with the double arrows it will go to the page where he made the post so you can view the post for yourself to indicate he was indeed the author of the post.

WanRen agrees with him and so do I. Obviously it is not a direct quote from the Bible, it is just a general statement which essentially is true.

Satan deceives people, obviously it can't be from within the Bible, it must be from outside of the Bible, external from the Bible, for example all falsehoods coming from all those atheist websites.

Within the Bible there are 35 verses about Satan, as deceiver. If you care to look at them click on the link below. But let me give you two of them that comes from the NLT Bible, the first one is a quote from our Lord Savior Jesus Christ:

"For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies."--- John 8:44 NLT

"But I fear that somehow your pure and undivided devotion to Christ will be corrupted, just as Eve was deceived by the cunning ways of the serpent."---2 Corinthians 11:3 NLT

http://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Satan,-As-Deceiver

 

Funny you and WR agree with my little statement. And WR makes a wild claim about the bible, outside the bible. World wide cannibalism of all children, babies, and fetuses. And no correction or questioning by any christian about this claim made outside the bible. So what does this say about those answering questions in this thread?

Deceivers, yes.
Twisting others words to say something they never said. Denying things clearly wrong. So much deception going on.

 

Quote Originally Posted by dairyair View Post
Lest ye not forget.
Satan is very clever and is a deceiver and deceives those who seek for truth outside the Bible.

Of course I agree with you. Why are you starting to disagree with your own statement?

That is why I agree with your statement that: Satan is very clever and is a deceiver and deceives those who seek for truth outside the Bible. Do you mean that you don't mean what you claim and that it is all twisted and deceptive?

So you do agree that Genesis 6:5 God acted to punished the wicked and evil and that humanity has got so evil in every ways that include cannibalism is evil and wicked? I'll wait.

Yes there are many truths outside the Bible that include cannibalism is evil and wicked, and that humans are humans and apes are apes two different species of different family group. And this is why I agree with your statement Satan is very clever and is a deceiver and deceives those who seek for truth outside the Bible. there are individuals that will present something outside the Bible and insist it is the truth such as claiming humans and apes are the one same family when every body knows that is not the case.

Thank you.

 

Why don't you agree with your statement?
Why is it that you don't like Christians to agree with your statements?
Twisting the Bible is not our way.

 

The Bible also contains verses saying that God is evil, a liar, and a deceiver. All of the Biblical characters are on the shady side.

 

From Scripture we learn that Jesus did many things, His teachings from His ministry, His miracles that He performed, (healing the blind, the cripple, bringing the dead back to life, etc.) He predicted His death and resurrection which proved His deity. He was the incarnate God in human flesh who came into the world to save the world from sins.

Jesus Again Predicts His Death

"After they gathered again in Galilee, Jesus told them, “The Son of Man is going to be betrayed into the hands of his enemies. He will be killed, but on the third day he will be raised from the dead.”And the disciples were filled with grief."---Matthew 17:22-23 NLT

Jesus Appears to the Disciples

Then the two from Emmaus told their story of how Jesus had appeared to them as they were walking along the road, and how they had recognized him as he was breaking the bread. And just as they were telling about it, Jesus himself was suddenly standing there among them. “Peace be with you,” he said. But the whole group was startled and frightened, thinking they were seeing a ghost!

“Why are you frightened?” he asked. “Why are your hearts filled with doubt? Look at my hands. Look at my feet. You can see that it’s really me. Touch me and make sure that I am not a ghost, because ghosts don’t have bodies, as you see that I do.” As he spoke, he showed them his hands and his feet.

Still they stood there in disbelief, filled with joy and wonder. Then he asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat?” They gave him a piece of broiled fish, and he ate it as they watched.

Then he said, “When I was with you before, I told you that everything written about me in the law of Moses and the prophets and in the Psalms must be fulfilled.” Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures. And he said, “Yes, it was written long ago that the Messiah would suffer and die and rise from the dead on the third day. It was also written that this message would be proclaimed in the authority of his name to all the nations, beginning in Jerusalem: ‘There is forgiveness of sins for all who repent.’ You are witnesses of all these things. “And now I will send the Holy Spirit, just as my Father promised. But stay here in the city until the Holy Spirit comes and fills you with power from heaven.”---Luke 24:35-49 NLT

The Ascension

"Then Jesus led them to Bethany, and lifting his hands to heaven, he blessed them. While he was blessing them, he left them and was taken up to heaven. So they worshiped him and then returned to Jerusalem filled with great joy. And they spent all of their time in the Temple, praising God."---Luke 24:50-53 NLT

A whole heard of guys might have done tricks as you say but not our Lord Savior Jesus Christ, He didn't do any tricks to fool people, He did things that were miraculous that only God could do, that's what sets Him apart from those herds of guys who were tricksters.

Not true.

Not true.