About Noah And That Wooden Boat

Not saying your theory is any more credible.

In NB's defense, he takes the Bible at its word....a "day"...is a day. 24 hours. And using the "ages and geneology of the holy men of the Old Testament"....he sticks to a literal view that dates "Creation" at about 6000 years ago.

It's totally unfounded...even contradicted by even the most basic of obvious facts...like seeing stars more than 6000 lightyears away.....but it's not the "putting an elephant in a match-box" "interpreting" that YOU do to try to make Genesis into a geo-biological history text.

 

How do you explain that the Solar Clock did not even exist on "day" one?
It wasn't even there, since the Earth was without form, i.e.; not spherical yet, as it rotated like a disk around the Sun according to both Science and Genesis 1:2????

 

You are fraudulently embellishing the Genesis account.

 

I'm not going to debate you on Creationism, dave.....I'll let you and NaturalBorn fight it out over who is the "real interpreter" of Genesis.

 

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Are you saying that the Solar Clock existed before "day" 4???

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I am not interpreting Genesis.
I am only comparing what science books say to what Genesis says.

 

That is like comparing Dr. Suess to Dr. Ben Carson.

 

Was this "solar clock" mentioned in Genesis? Did the earth not revolve around the sun every 24 hours?

Do you really think the earth was a disc? Why not riding around on the back of a tortoise?

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The Genesis account was borrowed from the Sumerians and Eden was set at Dilmun.

 

Margot, did you look at this photo that NB attached?

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It shows plants being created BEFORE the Sun was created. As we've discussed on other Creationist threads.....that means God created plants...

in an environment with no Sun, that was over 200 below freezing Celsius and with no light...i.e. destructive to plants.

God would be the WORST botanist in history, huh?

 

I know.. its just idiotic...............

 

Well, I think NB has me on ignore....but probably guess at his "explanation"...

i.e. "There was still Light from Day One when God said let there be Light, even if there was no Sun".....which means what....exactly?

The Earth was uniformly bathed in some "heat-creating illumination" from the entire "proto-Cosmos"? Problem there is that many plants NEED darkness for some period (i.e. night).

Plus if the Light was uniform across the surface of the Earth and thus the Temperature created by the Light was uniform....you'd have either Arctic plants being killed by excessive heat or Equatorial Tropic plants killed by excessive cold.

Either way....doesn't it show a pretty STUPID "God"....why not wait until AFTER You create the Sun to create the plants? Do Sun on Day 3 and plants on Day 4?

Or do we already know the answer?....it's because the primitive Bronze Age myth-makers in the Hebrews/Israelites......weren't botanists or scientists or even logical? And they were simply creating their tribal "creation myth" as a "cool story to tell"?

 

Please show a legitimate scientific source for your claims.

 

There is no evidence that the ocean's salinity has just increased over time. There are indications that it was twice as salty at one time, and less salty at others, but there is no evidence that the sea's salinity was different in the last 10,000 years. Regardless, most fish can only live in fairly narrow salinity range, and adding 20,000+ feet of water would change the salinity.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d...ean-was-twice-as-salty-as-today/#.VKRbs3uvFx4

 

Please define the conditions for the source you requested. I doubt you would accept anything but a source from your approved sources, but I may be wrong.

 

Oceanographers have measured the increase in salinity over time. By uniformitarianism extrapolating back would refute your claim.

Who claimed 20,000 feet of water? BTW, only two kinds of every marine animal (a pink one and a blue one) needed to survive.

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You must be joking. The fairy tale begins in the first sentence.

 

Peer reviewed scientific journal.

 

What credentials will you accept for the peers who review the paper? Will you accept some peers but not others? If not, what parameters are acceptable? The scientific peer reviewed research papers are plentiful, but I want to know what your requirements are before I post and you falsely claim something is not to your liking.

 

Genesis says that the water went over the highest mountains. Everest is at 29,000 feet. Mt Ararat is at over 16,000 feet.

There is adequate evidence of the Chesapeake Bay impact crater.

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As long as the journal isn't associated with creationists, I'll take it. Creationists lie too much to be trusted.

 

You admitted The Matterhorn Mountain was at one time under water, so why would water need to rise to 29,000 feet?

 

[h=3]Impact-generated Waves[/h]Craters and suspected craters have been found in continental margins that record at least 18 large asteroid or comet impact events.12 Despite the lack of historical precedent, tsunamis of potentially super-size by impact have occurred in the past. The 90-kilometer-diameter Chesapeake Bay structure lies beneath 400-500 meters of coastal sediments in northeastern Virginia.13 Seismic imagery reveals a near circular crater as deep as Grand Canyon and encompassing an area twice that of Rhode Island. Waters that rushed into this instantly formed crater must have generated outward-bound waves with initial or "primary" heights of up to 500 meters, modeling predicts, which probably put the Appalachian foothills underwater.
Impacts of much larger proportions struck when most of the continent was under water, probably during Noah's Flood. Across a 10,000 square kilometer area in southern Nevada, disrupted limestone blocks and as many as five graded beds occur, as if great tsunamis sorted debris by size.14 The Manson impact structure, located in north-central Iowa, also took place when the continent was underwater, and is associated with a widespread limestone tsunami deposit.15

12.) Dypvik, H., and L. Jansa, 2003, Sedimentary signatures and processes during marine bolide impacts: a review: Sedimentary Geology, 161:309-337.
13.) Poag, C. W., and others, eds., 2004, The Chesapeake Bay Crater: Springer, New York, 522 pp.
14.)Warme, J. E., and H. C. Kuehner, 1998, Anatomy of an anomaly: The Devonian catastrophic Alamo impact breccia of southern Nevada: International Geology Review, 40:189-216.
15.)Hartung, J. B., and R. R. Anderson, 1996, A brief history on investigations of the Manson impact structure, Geological Society of America, Special Paper 302, pp. 31-43.

 

Genesis says that the water covered all the mountains... which is laughable.

 

Everyone knows that the highest hill during Noah's time was just 50 feet high. When the water receded the tops of olive trees appeared and tall olive trees might reach about 30 feet in height. The mountains didn't appear until the flood water had gone back into the fountains of the great deep (Genesis 7:11). That caused the ground to pop up and create the mountains, including Mt. Ararat where the ark finally came to rest.

 

Yes, the solar clock, the moon calendar, and the stars' sidereal clock were all mentioned in order to time the days, seasons, and years...


14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, (As used by astronomers to this day), and for seasons, and for days, and years:

 

Gen 7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

 

Not funny when we realize that the "waters" refers to Modern Homo sapiens escaping the fate of Neanderthal man who was becoming extinct.

The metaphor was a technical necessity since the readers had no idea that we evolved, nor that the first men appeared 7 million years ago, either.

 

...and yet we have a 7 day week?