Part 28 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Why do you think I asked: "And you think that logic somehow diverges depending on the job that you do?" The inference is pretty clear. Oh, and I'm blaming you for your cowardly way of going about these threads. You respond to posts that happened literally months, if not YEARS, ago. You go in and cherry pick quotes from people talking to other people, and then make smug remarks about it. That's all your threads are, you acting like a smug know-it-all.

 

I do: "
[h=2]doc·trine[/h] (dŏk′trĭn)n.1. A principle or body of principles presented for acceptance or belief, as by a religious, political, scientific, or philosophic group; dogma.

2. A rule or principle of law, especially when established by precedent.
3. A statement of official government policy, especially in foreign affairs and military strategy.
4. Archaic Something taught; a teaching."




So, lets look at the science and philosophic groups and the various 'doctrine' utilized by them.

 

It seems that the writer of 2 Peter 2:4-5 was making an appeal to authority. He was using Noah to boost his own claims.

 

It's hard for rational people to support the real Ten Commandments so once people learn what they are they start backing away from them.

 

Atheist leaders such as Mao, Kim Jong Un or Stalin worshiping them as gods.

Sources are very clear it has already all been written and part of history such as Stalin's, Mao's or Kim's actions against the thousands of good people they killed just because they refused to accept them or for talking against them.

Every Christian denominations Catholic, Baptist, Anglicans, Lutherans, Methodist, Orthodox, Coptic, etc. all are Christians because they worship Jesus Christ.

The government is the authority guided by proper principle as taught to us by God.

They maybe Christians by name only like are all atheist consider Stalinist or Maoist?

That is why the our Saints are what we can consider true Christians while others like me we are struggling Christians to be like the Saints.

 

I have not said that the Passover is the same as the Last supper. The Last Supper is the Christian Passover. It follows in a simpler manner the Jewish Passover.* It therefore owes its existence to the Tanakh.

You listen to Paul 'Purge out the old leaven, that ye maybe a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us: therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven.......' 1 Cor. 5:7-8. Here Paul is using some of the ritual of the preparation for the Passover to demonstrate what he means.*

'For I have received of the Lord that which I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night he was betrayed took bread: and when he had given thanks , he brake it, and said "Take eat, this is my body, which is broken for you, this do in remembrance of me" Ditto the wine. Is this not what Jesus said at his Passover meal.

Or do you deny it was Jesus Passover meal, despite what the Bible tells us Jesus said about celebrating the Passover with them.

Hebrews is full of comparisons between the Tanakh characters, angels etc and Jesus.

I've already given you one doctrine that covers both. You refuse to accept it.

John 10 should read Matthew 10:5-6


John 10.
Jesus was a Jew. Agreed?
Jesus came to his own as he said. Agreed?

Now the Tanakh refers to the Jews as Gods sheep and He the Shepherd. Even the Psalmist picks up this in Psalm 23. The Jews, who knew their Tanakh backwards, understood Jesus was taking his 'parable' from there. YHWH Ro'i - the Lords my Shepherd - one of the Jewish names for Yahweh.
He came to draw Israel back to Yahweh - I am the way..........
The prophets are sometimes shepherds, and often some are 'bad shepherds'.
Undoubtedly some Jew leaders wanted Jesus out of the way, but if you study properly you will see many Jews and even Pharisees had no squabble with him. And IF they had stones they must have brought them with them. Solomons Porch was a place of Judgement, it wouldn't have rough ground.

 

The Ten Commandments served as the blue print of today's modern democratic countries constitutions. In the Ten Commandments we find a summary of civil, criminal, social and theological laws.

Abraham Lincoln: In regard to this Great Book, I have but to say, it is the best gift God has given to man. All the good the Savior gave to the world was communicated through this book. But for it we could not know right from wrong. All things most desirable for man's welfare, here and hereafter, are to be found portrayed in it.

 

The only two laws that we use from the Ten Commandments are don't murder and don't steal. And the Ten Commandments weren't the first instance in history of those types of rules.

 

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This reply is hilarious. Mao was hated by millions of Chinese. In 1981, the Party declared that the Cultural Revolution was "responsible for the most severe setback and the heaviest losses suffered by the Party, the country, and the people since the founding of the People's Republic."[1]. Millions died under his rule. No-body worshipped him.

The same applies to Stalin. He ruled by terror.

Kim Jong Un. Does anyone sane person believe these poor inhabitants of North Korea worship their leaders. Of course thousands turn out at events. If they didn't they would be persecuted.

 

No one needs the Helper in order to understand the Teachings LITERALLY. The Helper is what allows man to go beyond the literal interpretation. Even an atheist can understand the literal word, so that shows a literal interpretation is utter nonsense.

There is a reason why fundamentalism arose among the poorly educated, that didn't understand literary instruments. Fundamentalism is basically how the idiots interpret the Teachings.

The RCC kept scripture in latin for much of its history for a reason. Perhaps they knew if uneducated people read the Bible, they would take it literally, and start believing in all sorts of things. Well, when the uneducated, the unsophisticated, finally got the bible in the vernicular, Fundamentalism arose.

 

An opinion that does nothing to support your initial claim of: "Atheist claim they don't believe in God and yet they worship their leader." -WanRen post #449

Placing your words in the mouths of atheists does not make it their own.

And this does not represent atheism anymore than the Crusades represent Christianity.

Another wonderful opinion... still waiting for source citation.

What if any current government fits that description? Who gets to decide what is "proper principle".

No, they are not Christians at all by my measure. See above for my response on Stalin and Mao.

 

The 10 Commandments, well, about 2/3rds of them, if followed, even by atheists, would yield a much more orderly society. That is probably the purpose of those Laws. For there are particular actions that when one person commits against another person, causes disorder in society. They lead to chaos. And it is important for a human society to have some form of order, over chaos.

Just take the commandments against murder, stealing, adultery. If you kill someone, you could have a repeat of the Hatfield and McCoys. If you steal what a man worked for, he will come after you. If you screw your neighbors wife, he might very well kill your ass, murder you. So, most of these commandments are just common sense rules, and when they are not followed society suffers.

 

Exodus has been substantiated by genetic evidence that all the jewish priests of today did have one common father who lived in 1360BC.

And a grave stone has been found which verifies Nazareth as existing during the reign of

Nazareth Inscription
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Nazareth Inscription or Nazareth decree is a marble tablet inscribed in Greek with an edict from an unnamed Caesar ordering capital punishment for anyone caught disturbing graves or tombs.[1]

Although the text contains no reference to Jesus of Nazareth or Christianity, it has been of interest chiefly to scholars who view it as evidence for the historicity of Jesus and his resurrection (as described by Matthew 28.12–13). It can also be read in the broader context of Roman law pertaining to exhumation and reburial, mentioned also by Pliny.[3]

 

He said THE Exodus, not Exodus. What does genetic evidence have to do with proving THE Exodus?

The Nazareth inscription is only called that because it was bought in MODERN DAY Nazareth.

 

No one needs to say "what the truth is."

Truth is what corresponds directly to Realty, past or present.
Christ personified this idea, as did Rev Martin Luther King in regard to the Truth about equality.

 

No.
It is discredited by unbelievers on that basis, but the church has long recognized this a evidence for Nazareth.

Although the text contains no reference to Jesus of Nazareth or Christianity, it has been of interest chiefly to scholars who view it as evidence for the historicity of Jesus and his resurrection (as described by Matthew 28.12–13). It can also be read in the broader context of Roman law pertaining to exhumation and reburial, mentioned also by Pliny.[3]

 

So your argument rest on the idea that Gentiles can not convert to the Judaism of Jesus or what???

 

And why in the world do you think that an inscription about Roman law pertaining to exhumation and rebuttal, an inscription that says NOTHING about Nazareth, is evidence that Nazareth existed?

Seriously, Nazareth isn't even mentioned in in inscription.
It must also be evidence that Atlantis existed because it doesn't say anything about it, either.

 

Jesus wasn't buried in Nazareth.

http://infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/nazarethlaw.html

 

The Old Testament lists dozens of direct verses which correspond to things Jesus did, too.
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I have listed them but these atheists ignore them.
Meanwhile, Christians have been trained to think that Christ was not Elijah, returned in 32AD.
They discount what John told them straight out of their own New Testament:

John 1:21 And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elijah?
And he saith, I am not.
Art thou that prophet?
And he answered, No.

 

Hmmm,...
Isaiah says he will be called "God is with him," or Immanuel, which did happen,... as mentioned in the Trinity described in Rev 3:12:

12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name, (Trinity, since 325AD).

 

LOL

Here is what he History book says which can be checked out on Wiki:

"As reported to us by the historian of that day, Eusibius:
In the year 312, Constantine the Great, the emperor of the Roman empire, which comprised all of the civilized world at that time, was conquered by the sign of the Christian Faith.
Just before a decisive battle, he and all of his soldiers saw a Cross of light in the sky with the inscription, "By this sign you will conquer."
The following night Christ appeared to him with the Cross in His hand and told him that by this sign he would defeat his enemy, directing that each soldier's shield bear the sign of the Cross.

The emperor fulfilled the command of God and conquered.

Seeing the power of the Cross he abandoned paganism and embraced the Christian Faith, placing his entire empire under the protection of Christ and His Cross. Constantine legalized Christianity and then moved the seat of the empire from Rome to Constantinople to make a new beginning, calling this city the second Rome. Thus arose the Byzantine empire the first Christian society that was governed by Christian principles."

 

I never said that. You just lied.

The article DID say there was an exodus. You brought that up, too. Why are
you lying? Is it to save face? Seriously.

Oh yeah, and could God have saved those babies? Do you think babies should die for what their parents did?[/QUOTE]

 

Murder, theft, adultery, respect for neighbors, respect for parents and elderly, recognize God, avoid swearing, right to at least one rest day, law against perjury these are all had it's history from the Ten Commandments. There was no ancient law that came directly from God but the Ten Commandments the rest are laws from men.

 

Please provide evidence it doesn't.

In the meantime here 60 prophecies of Jesus including his coming,

60 Prophecies of Jesus.