Part 28 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Jesus didn't know what the Ten Commandments are beceause there's nothing about loving one's neighbor in them.

 

No, it isn't. The Commandment is to not lie, period. Perjury is not lying in FRONT OF A COURT.

 

I am agnostic. I only argue on what the Bible actually says. To do that you must look at many things, not just Christian beiefs. The argument I was making there is that Prunepicker is picking what he wants to believe despite what the Bible says.

If you believe the Jewish teaching, Gentiles have no need to be converted. As long as they abide by the Noahide 7 'rules' (which can be found on the internet) they are 'safe'. Christians demand the acceptance of a Jewish sacrifice (Jesus was a Jew) for salvation.

 

The Fast of the First Born was the day before the Seder, which would be the first day of that weekly celebration.

The Seder was eaten on the second day of Passover week.
If the First Born person was "a REDEMPTION of the First Born person", as Jesus was so doing, "the fast may be broken."


According to the second custom (quoted by the Magen Avraham in the name of the Maharash Levi), the fast may be broken at any festive meal celebrating a circumcision or (interestingly) a redemption of the firstborn.


AND,... if the First Born person would know he would miss the actual Seder meal, he was to ignore the Fast and eat that Seder then.

The Mishnah Berurah quotes three opinions regarding circumstances in which the fast may be broken.
According to the first, a healthy individual must fast if he can sustain the fast without undue suffering,... and without any subsequent weakening that would affect his ability or inclination to heartily partake of his Passover Seder meal (and specifically the matzah).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_of_the_Firstborn

 

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Gentiles do not need follow all the rituals of Judaism but only the seven Noachide Laws.
This has nothing to do with becoming a Jew through conversion by accepting Christ as the only requirement for that acceptance.

I also draw your erroneous attention to the Fast of the First Born and the story about the Redemption of Jesus in regard to eating the Seder he knew he was going to miss. (see post above)

 

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Matt 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

 

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So a writer who uses Symbolism, Analogy, Parables, Simile, Hyperbole, Exaggeration, Poetic License, Etc is to be ignred because you only acceot Literal as a Literary Art???

 

Hmmm,...
I thought it was way easier to become a "son of God" than what you are saying.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

 

You miss the very very important point of Christianity.

The people still acting as if they are Jews, are not Jewish in their faith.
They ignored Christ as the Elijah in 32AD, and still behave as they did since 800BC when they ignored Elijah then.

Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews,... and are not,...
... but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

 

You seem to have deliberately missed out Pauls admonition 'For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us'. The communion - Eucharist - is the Christian form of the Jewish Passover. Christianity uses the term Paschal Lamb - taken from the Jewish - for Jesus. I've read enough Christian books, and sung Christian hymns with this term in referring to Jesus. The Lords Supper has the same purpose as the Passover though Christianity claims it was a once-for-all sacrifice to cover sins.

The Passover was a commandment. Jesus said 'Take, eat....this do in remembrance of me'. Is this not commandment?
'For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you - that the Lord Jesus.........'
IF God gave this to Paul to impart to the people, is that not rather like saying - do it.

If Jesus were celebrating the Passover meal there is a set form to follow - certainly nothing like the ceremony Jesus is reported to have performed.
Of course if Jesus were just celebrating a meal he was lying when he said he wanted to celebrate the Passover with them.
I don't believe Jesus - the Rabbi - was lying.

Where did Jesus say this? It is Pauls interpretation.

Didn't say you had. I just wanted to see where you stood.

Ah, but you see it is doctrine. The Jews believed it. That makes it a doctrine. And it you don't disagree you must agree. It becomes part of your doctrine.

The Church decrees that Jesus is the Paschal Lamb and He supercedes the Jewish Paschal Lamb. That is doctrine that covers both the Tanakh and the NT.
John connects the two, while the synoptic gospels don't. John wanted to show Jesus as the Divine Son of God.
There's a Hymn that goes 'God's Paschal Lamb is sacrificed for us'.

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Well considering we only have knowledge of Jesus from what his friends say in the Bible, covering very little of the 3 years we are told he ministered, is that surprising. We have a group of people whose leader was killed by the Jewish authorities, and who, themselves, have been persecuted by the Jews in the decades that followed Jesus death before the wrote their gospels.

We know some leaders were not unfavourable to Jesus, even to entertain him. At the end 2 sought the body of Jesus from Pilate and gave it burial. We also know that most people were for him. He drew crowds.

HOWEVER much of this is exaggerated. Just look into the Jewish way of life at the time and the ritual in their lives and you will see this. Oh. I forgot. You don't read outside the Bible.

 

Sorry.You know I don't accept your beliefs.

 

You very silly in denying that he Passover was what Jesus did on the Fast of the First Born, because the apostles searched out lamb and the other commodities as well described in the New Testament stories.

Then Paul repeated several steps in the Seder, especially in regard to that 5th Cup of Wine,... which Jesus explained was to be drunk, not poured out:


1Co 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

 

Once you start using the above the reader needs to know you to know what is any of the above. That's the problem with the Bible. What is literal, what is not, depends on the individual writing and the understanding of the individual reading. You should know that with your ideas.

 

Nor do you accept 1Kings 18 and all the things Elijah did which correspond with what Jesus did again.

And you ignore the Seven Miracles of Elijah which enumerate the Jewish traditional message for recognizing The Elijah when he would appear.

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What is literal is clearly separated from what is or doesn't ever actually take place.

 

Burden of proof works both ways that is why God came to us as Jesus Christ to erased all doubts and the unbelievers could not provide any proof to discount God their only respond is through violence.

If you consider Stalinist or Maoist as not sources or historicity of the Bible then you need to provide other sources then yourself.

 

Idols not for worship for remembering. Christianity have went to other countries not to destroy but to build and share the good news of God.

Give to Caesar what is Caesar's and the God to God.

The Ten Commandments is the blue print to political science to rule of law.

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Thou shall not bare false witness against thy neighbor the Ninth Commandment.

 

Not to lie or not to lie in front of modern court is has its origin to "Thou shall not bare false witness against thy neighbor".
That is why they / we swear "I swear to tell the truth and nothing but the truth so help me God". "So help me God"

 

Gullibility is about extreme deniability on the historicity of the Holy Bible.

 

That is why doctors, dentist, scientist, historians, engineers, lawyers and judges are all strictly regulated no individual can do or interpret laws, medicine, engineering without proper licenses. The Bible we have the church fathers. Constantine saw this that is why he step in to stop all the unauthorized individuals who lack the knowledge, education and spiritual guidance to properly interpret the Holy Bible.
Nicene Creed;
I believe in one God, the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.
I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.
I believe in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come.
Amen.

 

Yes and I've explained why.

7 miracles are not scriptural.

Is that why there are so many views on here on literal and non-literal matters.

Is the story of the Good Samaritan literal or a parable?

 

What a shame they didn't do it. This Creed was made up by men who all had different ideas, but eventually settled on something they could live with.

 

Do you think that the laws laid out in the Ten Commandments were brand new to human knowledge?

 

You may. We can leave God out altogether by Affirming.

'Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor'. Egyptian Book of the Dead.

The commandments 6 – 9 are common to all known human cultures independent of religion, and not at all particular to Christianity.

 

You may. We can leave God out altogether by Affirming.

'Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor'. Egyptian Book of the Dead.

The commandments 6 – 9 are common to all known human cultures independent of religion, and not at all particular to Christianity.

 

And yet every thing on his arch is pagan and nothing christian. It's easy to believe nonsense when one refuses to see facts!