Russia caught lying again. Finally admits truth about MH17

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  1. Balancer

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    And again:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=407613&p=1064987455#post1064987455

    And again:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=411650&p=1065088977#post1065088977

    Tell me how it is possible to brainwash to those who doesn't watch the state mass media, and information is received from Facebook, by Google +, Twitter and forums, including foreign?

    You understand, what in Russia the state mass media are watched only by pensioners or the lower social groups of advanced age? All youth and all active old men are online. Unlike North Korea with which you carry out comparisons.
     
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    Which says a lot about the quality of info from opposition channels. You know, when a list of players from a second-teer football (soccer) team is passed off as a list of Russian soldiers lost in Eastern Ukraine, when the news piece says that the 5-th year military kadets from Kazan military college are sent to Eastern Ukraine (this is 4-year college), or when the man who claims to be the person in charge of the rumoured Nemtzov "bombshell" report about the Russian invasion into Ukraine says publicly that "we have a lot of images of the military equipment, we just can't prove that they were taken in Eastern Ukraine", people do start to dismiss them. At least "official propaganda" is much subtler in its' message, relies more on verifiable facts (it's the spin and the choice of the facts that is used as a propaganda message), and is more logically consistent. And, finally, essentially all mainstream "talk shows" or "discussion boards" make sure to include at least some representatives from the opposition (both from within Russia and from without, including people from US and Ukraine when the conflict in Ukraine is discussed). So it's actually no wonder that the opposition news channels in Russia are about as popular as the opposition politicians.
     
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    In the white house, probably think as you. With you it is impossible do agreemant. I told earlier, (repeated) what leaders of the East of Ukraine and official Russia constantly speak. You told, we want to help Russia... I answered, it is simple... if Washington forces Poroshenko to observe the Minsk arrangements (constantly to communicate with leaders of Donbass, but not to ignore them as it does Kiev) and not to bomb Donbass. There is still a chance, to finish war. I told about reality. But you answer by imagination - by assumption. Allegedly Putin tries to seize still the territory to connect Russia to the Crimea. I too can represent, Porosheko and Obama try to take Donetsk. Many soldier is concentrated near the city etc. In other words, Washington can, but doesn't want to force Poroshenko to make deal with Donbass. Washington for war in Ukraine. Putin for the peace.
    [video=youtube_share;rmj5SZdGYJY]http://youtu.be/rmj5SZdGYJY[/video]
     
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    How can we convince the Ukrainian's to do this when Putin is sending in large numbers of Spetsnaz all along the Western Black Sea Shoreline as they are once again setting the stage FOR A LAND GRAB!!

    Putin want's to connect Russia to the Crimea by LAND and I really HOPE TO GOD Putin does not make the mistake of doing this!!!

    If Putin does actually annex a swath of land from Russia along the western shoreline of the Black Sea all the way to the Crimea.....honestly I don't see any other way to deal with this except the U.S. and it's Allies placing the Full Force of Economic Warfare against THE STATE OWNED COMPANIES THAT PUTIN AND HIS 110 BUDDIES SEIZED AND NOW CONTROL!!!

    Problem is this also means it will effect the average Russian Family especially if the U.S. and Canada have to once again but even to a greater extent FLOOD THE WORLDS OIL MARKET.

    If Putin still refuses to step down....we will have to issue all Nations a CHOICE.....either they stop trading with Russia or LOSE TRADING RIGHTS WITH THE UNITED STATES.

    You see the U.S. Economy is fairly SELF CONTAINED.....as we are only a few years from being energy self sufficient.....we grow enormous amounts of food, we have an extremely overall wealthy population as the U.S. has the wealthiest population on the planet when factoring in the ratio's of amount of U.S CITIZEN'S................about 320 MILLION.....number of LEGAL ALIENS AND NUMBER OF ILLEGAL ALIENS....another 20 MILLION.....then there are the total number of U.S. Citizen's living in U.S. TERRITORIES thus another 6 Million as there are U.S. Territories all over the Earth and the people born there are U.S. CITIZENS so now 326 Million and then there is Canada which 90% of all Canadian's live along the boarder with the U.S. as the United States and Canada not only share the longest unmilitarized and unprotected boarder between two Nations of the Planet but both Russia and China when they do their yearly Nation by Nation MILITARY THREAT ASSESSMENTS CONSIDER CANADA AND THE UNITED STATES AS ONE ENTITY......because basically we are.....as both the U.S. and Canadian Militaries operate as a single integrated force.

    Point is....if there are Russian Members here.....you have to DO SOMETHING!!!

    You can't just keep allowing Putin to steal the Siberian Oil and Gas Wealth right from under you!!!

    The LAST THING the U.S. wants to do is apply this extreme amount of economic pressure upon Russia because the average Russian Citizen HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT IS GOING ON!!!

    Trust me......you don't want the U.S. and it's Allies to go all out Economic Warefare.

    And any MILITARY THREATS by Putin.....well unless Russia wants to go Nuclear and commmit Suicide.....any ill advised Russian Military Forays into Europe would be ILL ADVISED IN THE EXTREME!!!

    AboveAlpha
     
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    Don't tell the fairy tale!
    More than 60% of Ukrainians are ready to refuse Donbass, only that there was no war. It is result of poll by sociologists of Ukraine. But war proceeds. Washington doesn't try to convince - Ukrainian Poroshenko, to conduct dialogue with other Ukrainians from Novorossiya.

    Russia strengthens the Western Black Sea Shoreline because NATO began the first, to focus a large number of troops at borders of Russia. How to convince the Russian that you won't attack not only these young republics, but also on Transnistria for example. In these territories there live except Ukrainians, hundreds of thousands - millions of Russian people. (Americans aren't present there)... Correctly Putin strengthens borders. NATO many times bombed many countries. There is no guarantee that it especially won't attack these small republics.
     
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    Information is CONTROLLED by Russia. Hell, you can't even create any meme you want to in Russia. It's called "control of information"...Or Propaganda ministries.
     
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    Revisionist History?

    Russia as the Main Player in the Soviet Empire land grabs all it's neighboring Countries for multiple decades and when the Soviet Union collpases all these Nations that were FORCED by the Soviets to join the Union want just to protect themselves from another possible Russian Land Grab like what happened in the Ukraine....YOU blame the U.S.?

    LOL!!!!!

    AboveAlpha
     
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    Russia after collapses of the USSR, didn't grabs any land. Only pacified - stopped violent neighbors... And with Ukraine 25 years lived in peace and friendship until the USA support bloody revolution, having brought to power of ''nazis'' led by the maniac Poroshenko. Transnistria, the independent Republic (Ukrainians, Russians, Greeks etc) under protection of the Russian peacekeepers. Russia helped to create this republic (24 years ago) unique, diversified economy that positively denies it from the similar small countries having the mono industry. It is very diversified economy, and modern technologies allow this republic to fit into a new world order easily. During this time, life in Transnistria - is better than at neighbors. Russia doesn't try to include Transnistria in structure of Russia. 24 years this republic independently developed. But now, Ukraine and Moldova made blockade of this republic - by order of of Washington. You consider, it is good? Soon, perhaps, Washington will order to bomb this republic, it is good too?

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    It is Syria AboveAlpha, ''yesterday'' here was the dictator Assad ... people walked on street, there were cars, and then Americans came...
     
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    the United States is the main terrorist in the world.
     
  10. AboveAlpha

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    Ever been to Damascus?

    Damascus (Arabic: دمشق ‎ Dimashq, Syrian Arabic pronunciation: [dɪˈmɪʃeʔ]) is the capital and the second-largest city of Syria after Aleppo.

    Well I have.

    You walk down your basic MAIN STREET in downtown Damascus you will actually see STORE FRONT OFFICES with signs that say.......HAMAS....HEZBOLLAH.....ISLAMIC JIHAD....and a name I can't remember which stands for the IRANIAN QUD'S FORCE....a group or division that is part of Iran's Republican Guard which has a sole purpose of spreading the TENETS OF THE IRANIAN ISLAMIC REVOLUTION WORLDWIDE!!!

    Now the United States has put up with Syria for years only becase the Assad Family Dictatorship which is Alawite which is Shia in a nation that is populated by an overwhealming number of Sunni's.....we have allowed Assad and his Father before him to exist because even though the Assad Family Regimes have been and are BRUTAL AND MURDEROUS....THEY HAVE BEEN CAREFUL TO KEEP SYRIA SECULAR.....TO A POINT!!!

    Assad has protected Christian's and other Religions knowing the moment he stoped doing this the U.S. would have stepped in as Assad is the BROKER and takes a MONETARY AND ARMS CUT out of all the Money sent through Syria to groups like Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Fatah....etc.

    By the time Assad takes his cut and these other groups take their cut very little actually get's to the Palestinian People to rebuild Palestinian Infrastructure.

    It is a well known RULE.....NO GROUP IS TO KILL AMERICAN'S UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE as the U.S. is a HUGE AID DONATER TO THE PALESTINIAN'S.

    But Assad stole almost $2 Billion in AID when he ran the Oil for Aid U.N. Program in Lebanon and he walks a VERY FINE LINE when it omes to the U.S.

    As far as the Ukraine....this was and is all about Natural Gas and Oil in the Crimea....and the long time desire for Russia to have a WARM WEATHER PORT for the purpose of SHIP BUILDING and Russian Naval Operations which is A WASTE OF MONEY as the U.S. Navy exists at such a Massive and High Degree of Capability....NO NATION is capable of challenging the U.S. Navy.

    If the U.S. Navy in the Pacific was considered to be a Nation....it would rank #3 behind the #1 U.S. and #2 Russia as far as Military Power as China would come in at #4.

    Russia needs to fix it's economy and stop playing games in the Ukraine.

    I am telling you the breaking of the DEAL by Russia will cost it dearly.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    interview with Putin...

    Question:
    What way out in Syria you see? How you think it is possible to stop awful civil war?

    Putin:
    Our position is based -
    we are afraid that Syria can turn into such state as Libya
    or Iraq. Before US and NATO destroyed Iraq - in Iraq there were no terrorists. Who created conditions for flash of terrorism in these territories? All know (USA) after invasion into Iraq, all dispersed, all destroyed, Sadam killed. What's next? Further ISIS! Then what happened in Libya? The state in general ceased to exist! Even Americans suffered there... therefore we don't want that the same succession of events happened in Syria. That is why we help the government to Assad. We consider that it is the correct position.

    Moreover, as I know, many and agree with it. Here you look that occurs in Iraq. The USA now support Iraq. Train army of Iraq. But ISIS attacked the Iraqi army only two times and captured so much weapon that now it is more than it than at the Iraqi army! Both armored machinery and rockets etc. The general public knows about it very little. ISIS is armed better than Iraqi army. And it with assistance of the USA, which helps Iraq.. Thousands of American soldiers are in Iraq now. And what result? Sad and tragic. Once again I will repeat, on it we don't want that also repeated in Syria. And we call the USA, to make additional efforts with the absolute evil which call ISIS. That the USA developed the plan of political transformation in Syria, (people in Syria have access to the power etc.) and we are ready to talk to Assad. Assad agreed to fight in the UN against ISIS. Like that it is so necessary to work with Assad. But not force (as wants the USA)

    Interview to Lavrov
    Question:
    You urged the USA to cooperate with B. Assad in Syria in questions of opposition to "The Islamic state" (IS). The good idea, but it was right there rejected by the USA.

    S. Lavrov:
    We would prefer to do it on a collective basis, on the basis of international law, through the Security council (UN). Unfortunately, when Americans declared "crusade" against ISIS in Iraq and Syria, they never addressed to the Security council. They simply declared creation of the coalition.

    They also declared that will do the same in Syria, without asking permission of the Syrian government and without addressing to the Security council. I consider, it was a mistake.

    S. Lavrov:
    And when our American colleagues say that it (B. Assad) can't be considered as the lawful partner, we always remind them that he was absolutely lawful partner when we addressed to the Security council concerning adoption of the resolution on chemical disarmament of Syria...

    Thus they (the Syrian authorities) were absolutely lawful!

    Question:
    One of your old requirements consists in that the USA refused idea of change of the power in Syria. Whether you observe any signs of what the USA are ready to leave the President B. Assad in power?

    S. Lavrov:
    This issue will be resolved not by the USA. Matter isn't that we want that they changed the opinion but if it occurs, everything will rise on the places...
    [video=youtube_share;4lZJMjwddXQ]http://youtu.be/4lZJMjwddXQ[/video]

    PS: For Washington policy abroad, only to bomb everything, to destroy everything!
     
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    Half of the Russia was born in the Ukraine! Do you understand this?! In reply to a question is not necessary. Continue to listen to the sweet words of Obama and other crazy bastards. In the US, a lot of them. The tube Colin Powell push in the ass of usa and push in a weapon of mass destruction that did not find in Iraq.

    >>>MOD EDIT This is an English Only Site. Please do not post in any other language<<<
     
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    This for the night Obama told to you?!))Quack-quack-quack)))
    The US has already done everything they could. In violation of all contracts closed access to the capital markets. Because of this, at the end of 2014 was a record demand for the currency. A similar situation again this fall, but smaller in scale. How much ruble will be cheaper hard to say. I think it will be around 100 to the dollar. This fall of the ruble will be the last opportunity to make a coup in Russia. After that comes our turn, to hit at the big, fat american ass.
     
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    For us Russians, there are a lot of relatives and friends lives in Ukraine. We really worry that occurs in Ukraine. And for AboveAlpha (and some others...) the Ukrainian conflict is game...
     
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    Yeah.....I see you mention nothing about Syrian Forces in Lebanon....which used to be a beautiful beachside city until the wars against Israel as well Bashar al-Assad stole between $1.5 and $2 Billion in U.N. AID and in the Oil for AID program in Lebanon.

    Hafez al-Assad....Bashar's Father who was a BLOOD FEUD ENEMY of Saddam Hussein sent a small contingent of Syrian Troops to participate in Desert Shield and Desert Storm all at the same time grooming his son who is an Eye Doctor to take over the family business....that being.....STEAL AS MUCH MONEY FROM THE PEOPLE OF SYRIA, LEBANON AND MONEY DESTINED FOR PALESTIANE AS YOU CAN!!

    MAKE CERTAN THAT THE ALAWITE'S CONTROL ALL ASPECTS OF SYRIAN LEADERSHIP BOTH GOVERNMENT AND MILITARY.

    MAINTAIN THAT ALL MONETARY AND WEAPONS AID TO THE PALESTINAIN'S, HEZBOLLAH, ISLAMIC JIHAD, IRAN'S QUDS FORCE, HAMAS AND FATAH MUST BE DISTRIBUTED AND DISSEMINATED TO ALL GROUPS AFTER THE ASSAD REGIME TAKES THEIR CUT!!!

    ALLOW THESE GROUPS TO MAINTAIN DOWNTOWN DAMASCUS OFFICES.

    DEVELOP A PROPAGANDA MINISTRY DEDICATED TO DISPLAYING AND TEACHING IN SYRIIAN SCHOOLS THE GREATNESS OF BOTH HAFEZ AND BASHAR ASSAD!!!!

    PLACE THE FOR UNKNOWN REASONS MASSIVE CONVOYS WORTH OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS DEEP WITHIN SEVERAL LARGE SCALE SYRIAN CITIES.

    CONTINUE TO SUPPORT ANY AND ALL ATTACKS EITHER TERRORIST, MILITARY OR PROPAGANDA AGAINST ISRAEL.

    And the last TENET OF SURVIVAL AS A RULER OF SYRIA is this........

    UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES GIVE THE UNITED STATES AND THE U.S. MILITARY CAUSE TO ATTACK AND DESTROY THE ASSAD DICTORIAL REGIME!!!!!

    Thus the KILLINGS OF AMERICANS IS STRICTLY FORBIDDEN....as well is the KILLINGS OR ATTACKS UPON CHRISTIAN CHURCHES.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    You misunderstand or intentions.

    Do we want Putin GONE? ABSOLUTELY!!!

    Do we want to harm the Russian People or the Russian Economy.....NO!!! WE DO NOT!!! BUT WE ARE BEING GIVEN NO CHOICE!!!

    Considering the United States spent over $300 Billion buying up and destroying all old Soviet Nuclear, Chemical and Biological Weapons in all former Soviet States as well as in Russia AS WE HAVE U.S. BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS DESTRUCTION TEAMS STILL WORKING IN RUSSIA NOW!!!

    Considering the United States was the Nation to FORCE THE EUROPEAN'S TO FORGIVE RUSSIAN DEBT!!

    Considering it was the United States that forced Europe to admit Russia into the G-8.

    Considering it is going to cost Amerian's another $50 to $60 BILLION cleaning up SOVIET BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS LABS....and there is one right outside of Moscow about 100 km's that has 12 UNDERGROUND LEVELS and 3 ABOVE GROUND LEVELS where it was found RUSSIAN CHILDREN PLAYING INSIDE.....AND WE FOUND STRING OF PEARLS PRESSURIZED GLASS BALL STRUNG WARHEADS USUALLY RESERVED FOR VX GAS BEING USED FOR WEAPONIZED SMALL POX!!!

    If just ONE of these String of Pearls Warhead Configuration Glass Balls loaded with WEAPONIZED SMALL POX had fell off the LAB TABLE and broken open.....we could have said GOODBYE to about half or more of the POPULATION OF RUSSIA....THEN ASIA....EUROPE....ETC!!

    Yeah.....the United States has been just so awful to Russia!! LOL!!!

    WHAT A BUNCH OF BULL S#!#!!!

    We gave you every oppertunity!!!

    We gave you every break!!!

    All you had to do is do a little WORK FOR YOURSELVES!!!

    But I forgot......Russian's think the STATE will provide everything!!!

    So now because you can't come to terms with the most rudimentory concept of Democracy and Capitalism.....you allow a SINGLE MAN....PUTIN....with the help of his 110 Buddies....EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM FORMER KGB, GRU, SOVIET MILITARY BRASS AND FORMER HIGH RANKING COMMUNIST PARTY BOSSES.....YOU!!!! RUSSIANS!!!! AND YOU CAN'T BLAME ANYONE ELSE!!!!

    YOU ARE ALLOWING THE SYSTEMATIC THEFT OF YOUR WEALTH AND RESOURCES BY ONE MAN...PUTIN AND 110 OF HIS FRIENDS!!!

    Look it up.....these 110 plus Putin control oer 35% OF THE ENTIRE RUSSIAN WEALTH AND ECONOMY!!!

    And all the while those RUSSIAN IDIOTS WHO GO TO PUTIN RALLIES WAVING SOVIET FLAGS AND BLAMING THE U.S. FOR THEIR PLIGHT AND LACK OF A JOB......Putin and his 110 Buddies have a SURPRISE FOR YOU!!!

    Putin and these 110 Buddies want to use CHINESE LABOR TO DEVELOP EASTERN SIBERIA as Chinese Labor is much...much cheaper than RUSSIAN LABOR!!!

    And after all......ALL YOU RUSSIAN'S WOULD NOT WANT TO INTERFERE WITH ALLOWING YOUR BOSS...PUTIN AND HIS 110 KGB and others BUDDIES.....with MAKING A LARGER PROFIT FOR THEMSELVES TO STEAL!!!

    I mean.....YOU MUST BE A GOOD LITTLE RUSSIAN AND DON'T ASK QUESTIONS AND DON'T GET INVOLVED AND DON'T MAKE WAVES!!!!

    BE A GOOD LITTLE RUSSIAN WITHOUT A JOB AND WITH NO HOPE......BUT AT LEAST YOU WILL FINALLY TEACH THOSE DAMN AMERIKANSKI'S A THING OR TWO!!!

    Seriously.....Russia needs our help desperately.

    Putin will milk eery RUBLE....or now Milk every DOLLAR as the Russian Economy has OFFICIALLY COLLAPSED and the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank have already designated the UNITED STATES TREASURY AND FEDERAL RESERVE AND UNITED STATES CURRENCY AS THE CURRENT EMERGENCY CURRENCY OF RUSSIA!!!

    Sure.....shop keepers and businesses will take Euro's and British Pounds but they do not exist in the NUMBERS necessary to be used as a temporary Russian Currency until the Russian Economy recovers and the Ruble is once again accepted as PAYMENT.

    You are looking in the wrong direction to access blame.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    I know. I read this forum and I am very surprised by the number of stupid bastards for whom war is a fun programs on TV. Very quickly forgotten Vietnam.
     
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    I hope you are not directing that to me because........

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    For those of you who do not speak or read Russian and yes....I KNOW this is and English Forum so I will translate this......as it means......

    I would rather enjoy a cup of tea with my former adversaries than watch Putin convince Russian's that American's are the enemy.

    I am keenly aware of the Horrors of War.

    If you have read my posts you will see I ADVOCATE A RUSSIAN/AMERICAN PARTNERSHIP!!!

    The reason I advocate this is I NEVER want to have to worry about another in that case it was a SOVIET LEADER.....Yuri Adndropov former head of the KGB and took power after the death of Soviet Leader Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev.

    With Yuri V. Andropov, for 15 years the head of the Soviet secret police and intelligence service, replacing Leonid I. Brezhnev, many Americans including myself were worried....and we were right to worry.

    Yuri Andropoz a dying and delusonal man told one of his trusted AIDS that he wanted to go down in History as the Man who DESTROYED THE UNITED STATES AND NATO!!!

    We had KGB walking u to us in West Berlin in BROAD DAYLIGHT.....telling us....."I think we both have a serious problem!"

    Yuri Andropov being a sick, dying and delusional man had convinced some of is oldest supporters that the ANNOUNCED WELL IN ADVANCE.....NATO WAR EXERSIZE ABLE ARCHER 83.....was actually going to be a REAL FIRST STRIKE ATTACK BY THE U.S. AND NATO......which showed just how INSANE ANDROPOV ACTUALLY WAS!!!

    It was only by last moment communications between U.S. and Soviet Intel. Agencies did the KGB and GRU make certain Andropoz was not allowed to enter the LAUNCH CODES into the Russian Version of the American FOOTBALL!!

    World came within 45 seconds to ending.

    Don't think you know who and what I am because you don't!!

    You are talking to a man who was invited and went out all night and Partied with young members of the GRU at a HIGH RANKING COMMUNIST PARTY MEMBER ONLY CLUB ON THE NEVA RIVER IN AT THE TIME A CITY NAMED LENINGRAD....now St. Petersburg again.

    I am a man who was only one of a select few to be a part of an exchange program and I trained with SPETSNAZ and I am proficient in Systema and Sambo.

    I have been to EVERY single Former Soviet Republic as well have been in both Soviet Russia and Russia as part of a special Security Detail to protect members of the U.S. Military Nuclear, Chemical and Biological Weapons Purchasing and Destruction Teams.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    You have all thieves - Putin stole 2 billion from the Russian people, Assad stole 2 billion etc. but you don't mention the USA. The USA sponsoring different groups, terrorists, neo-Nazis etc. arranging wars - in other words steals and kills, thousands - millions of people!

    Some comments.

    And who will read it in America? Probably nobody.

    Assad makes pleasant impression of the clever, weighed and specific politician.

    Assad causes admiration of the firmness

    Supporting and encouraging radical Islamists by means of the puppets, the USA are aggressors in the Middle East.

    Why US lose each war? You can create wars, create problems, but you can't solve any problem. To peace process in Palestine and Israel 20 years, and you can make nothing with it, though you are the great country

    Obama's hand, the Nobel Peace Prize laureate, up to an elbow in blood, on his conscience of one hundred thousands victims worldwide. Where the USA - wars, a grief and tears of mothers, death of women, children and old men.
     
  20. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

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    Lose Wars?

    You don't understand that I was against the Invasion of Iraq.

    I was however 100% behind the ORIGINAL PLAN in AFGHANISTAN as there was only 196 of us on the ground the first week and only 196 Men comprised of U.S. Special Forces, CIA Teams and then our groups SPECIAL TEAMS.....were able to use Laser Designators and GPS and call in Massive U.S. Air Strikes which KILLLED TEN'S OF THOUSANDS OF THE ENEMY!!!

    Al-Qaeda and the Taliban....they never knew what hit them!!!

    There was only over 300 less than 400 of us in Afghanistan after several more weeks and we effectively WIPED OUT OUR ENEMY!!!

    THEN......some A$$#@!E$ in Washington DC decided to go NATION BUILDING in a place that is STILL IN THE STONE AGE!!!

    We did not lose any war in Afghanistan......we effectively wiped out the vast majority of our enemy in the first month.

    Putting large numbers of U.S. Ground Forces on the ground in Afghanistan was NEVER PART OF THE ORIGINAL PLAN!!

    But even still.....and I have friends who dies in Afghanistan......we WIPED THEM OUT!!

    What is going on now has ALWAYS GONE ON IN AFGHANISTAN and we knew our History and for 1000's of years because of the Terrain...no Empire or Nation could hold Afghanistan.

    WE COULD IF WE WANTED TO....but we would have ended up killing virtually everyone in that HELL HOLE!!!

    Iraq was by design to demonstrate U.S. Military Might and Military Superiority.

    I was against the Invasion of Iraq as I KNEW as did U.S. President George Bush Sr. who was a WWII HERO and the head of the CIA...he KNEW that Saddam was brutal but he was the only thing preventing an all out CIVIL WAR IN IRAQ!!

    After 9/11 the people of the United States went TEMPORARILY INSANE!!!

    I was a CONSULTANT at the time and there were 5 Plans being considered and 4 of those 5 Plans read like the screenplay for the Movie.....DR. STRANGELOVE!!!

    The least destructive of the 5 plans was chosen and if any of the other plans had been chosen.....the Middle East would barely exist right now and if the most Hardcore Plan had been selected.....you could have said Goodbye to Iran, Syria, Yemen, North Korea, Somalia....etc....it was a LONG LIST.

    That plan would have used FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE WWII.....THE FULL FORCE OF THE U.S. MILITARY.....and they intended to use Non-Nuclear Space Based Kinetic Impact Weapons known as RODS OF GOD.

    We don't have them deployed as that would be too provocative for Russia and China....but we have them and once deployed in Orbit then come in at a velocity as high as 38,000 to 42,000 mph and they are Telephone Pole sized Missiles that are made of DEPLEATED URANIUM that are encased in TUNGSTON STEEL that is wrapped in a CERMAIC HEAT SHIELD.

    They each have a small Rocket Motor on the bottom of each one and they are deployed in groups of 12 to 16.

    A single one of these and they are DEAD ON ACURATE to within YARDS of a TARGET.....the Super High Velocity and Acceleration multilied by the Mass of the heavy Steel and Depleated Uranium means an impact by one of these is equal depending upon velocity acceleration and angle of impact can equal anywhere from 2 to 20 KILOTONS YEILD.

    No RADIATION.....just F=MA.

    So be happy the least destructive plan was chosen.

    As far as our Soldiers and each American Soldier is a TRUE HERO AS THEY ARE VOLUNTEERS.....AS THEY CHOSE A LIKE OF A WARRIOR!!!

    No one FORCED THEM......they joined the U.S. Military of their own free will and it is not easy to get into some branches of the U.S. Military as the Air Force want's men with at least an ASSOCIATES DEGREE and a BATCHELOR'S DEGREE.....Navy same thing.

    Marines want's High School Diploma and as well Associates or Batchelor's Degree.....Army High School Diploma and Associated degree.

    Also understand that more people die slipping on their bathroom floor in a few weeks in the U.S. than have died in BOTH AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ COMBINED!!!

    Our ONLY MISTAKE.....thinking those SAVAGES WOULD CARE MORE ABOUT THEOR OWN COUNTRIES FUTURE THAN THE DRIVE THEY HAD FOR SUNNI'S AND SHIITE'S TO KILL EACH OTHER!!!

    But as the U.S. and Canada will both become 100% ENERGY SELF SUFFICIENT IN 2023.....the importance of the Middle East will be made less and less important to us.

    The U.S. and Canada will become the WORLDS LARGEST ENERGY EXPORTING ENTITY.

    This is because not only does the United States have the Worlds Largest Coal Reserves.....and China want's us to expand coal exports which we can do with the snap of our fingers.......

    Both the U.S. and Canada will become the Largest Oil Producers and Exporters surpassing Russia. and the ENTIRE MIDDLE EAST.

    The current considered a LOW ESTIMATE FOR TOTAL OIL RESERVES IN NORTH AMERICA AND THIS IS IN LIQUID, SHALE OIL AND SAND TAR OIL IS.......6.1 TIMES THE ENTIRE MIDDLE EASTERN OIL RESERVES!!

    As I stated before the U.S. has more COAL RESERVES than the entire world combined.....and North America will be exporting massive amunts of LNG.

    WE WILL BE FINE!!!

    Where will Russia be?

    I will tell you.......picking up the broken pieces of the Russian One Dimensional Economy.....as in 2015 the total Russian Economy will shrink by PUTIN'S OWN ESTIMATES.....5.5% to 7.3%.

    The Russian GDP in 2014 was about $1.98 Trillion.

    This will decrease by about....according to Wallstreet Estimates.....as low as 6%....and as high as 12%.

    The U.S. GDP will increase from $17.7 Trillion to about $18.4 Trillion.....and increase to $24.3 Trillion by 2023.

    HERE IS THE PROBLEM RUSSIA HAS........80% of THE ENTIRE RUSSIAN ECONOMY IS ENERGY EXPORTS!!!

    As the U.S. and Canada ramp up exports of OIL, LNG AND COAL......as well the U.S. and Canada an make a good profit seeling oil at $59 a Barrel.......HONESTLY ASK YOURSELVES.....is China going to keep paying Russia $120 a Barrel when Putin broke a contractual agreement to increase exports by steeling about $50 Billion of the $72 Billion China gave a Putin Controlled Oil Producer to increase Oil Exports to China many times what it currently is but because $50 BILLION WAS SKIMMED OFF THE TOP OF CHINA $72 Billion Investment that was money specific to building more pumping and drilling stations and infrastructure and Pipeline.....WHO DO YOU THINK CHINA WILL NOW BUY FROM.....as China is writting Putin off as a Man China cannot do business with!!


    You can only burn your customers so many times and this is why not only do I think I KNOW.....PUTIN HAS STOLEN TOO MUCH AND WHEN HIS SUPPORTERS DON'T GET PAID because China decides to go buy Oil, Coal and LNG from Canada and the United States.........................................PUTIN WILL BE REMOVED FROM POWER!!

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    Your enemy probably was among civilians. It means you even more civilians killed. You are proud of it?
     
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    Putin is bad. Putin is KGB agent. Quack-quack-quack)))
    We all know it and we like it. Putin is a strong-willed and intelligent. He knows three foreign languages. He does not smoke and does not drink. He can talk to any leader in the world without american ears. He values the lives of soldiers and civil. A minimum of blood and destruction. After the US Army damned remains mountains of corpses. Over the past 15 years, American army destroyed Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria. The American army has killed millions of civilians. You made a coup in Ukraine and supported the Ukrainian fascists. Anchor push in the ass of McCain and Nuland. You helped us?! What is this nonsense?! Stop to talk foolish! You talk such nonsense that I'm in shock. US helped Russia.... In a madhouse conducted the internet?

    I can answer for each item with the arguments but I do not know English well enough to do it quickly. And to spend three or four hours that to refute your nonsense I do not have the time and the wish.
     
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    No.....they were actually spread out along ridges at the edges of large flat plains as they actually thought some huge CHARGE of American Soldiers like in the WWII Movies was coming.

    We would have B-1B's and B-52's circling at very high altitudes and then we would drop specialized weapons such as the new ANTI-PERSONNEL IR-LIGHT SEEKING CLUSTER MUNITIONS that can actual direct each one of themselves to a Human Body.

    We have these for Anti-Mechanized Forces Cluster Weapons with a Rocketed Cluster Submunition that when dropped from 50 Thousand Feet......will take out 100 Vehicles of all and any type.....Tanks, Trucks, Technicals...which is what they used.....small pickups with a .50 Cal nounted in the bed.

    They did not start hiding within the Population of non-terrorists until after the first 30 days when they came to the realization that we could kill them at will.

    AC-130 Gunships....called SPECTORS.....THEY WERE OUTSTANDING AGAINST THE ENEMY!!

    But the Enemy at first was very poorly organized and ill trained.

    The members of the Al-Qaeda Leadership and Taliban......used their own men as CANNON FODDER so they could make their escape.

    Bin Laden almost was killed at Torah Borah and his own Body Guards had orders not to allow U.S. Forces to capture Bin Laden.

    It was well known in the circles of the Al-Qaeda Higher up Leadership that if captured Bin Laden would do whatever it took to keep himself alive thus Bin Laden's own body guards were told to KILL BIN LADEN if escape was impossible as they KNEW Bin Laden was only dedicated to this cause of his to the point only OTHER PEOPLES LIVES WERE AT STAKE!!!

    Bin Laden's own people knew that if he was captured.....HE WOULD SQUEEL LIKE A PIG TO STAY ALIVE AS HE WAS A COWARD!!!

    So they were instructed t kill him if capture was immmenent.

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    Do you know there are AMERICAN MILITARY BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS DESTRUCTION AND BIOWEAPONS LABS CLEAN UP TEAMS WORKING IN RUSSIA RIGHT NOW!!???

    DID YOU KNOW THE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING TO CLEAN UP YOUR COUNTRIES BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS MESSES!!???

    I am sure your ENGLISH is good enough to answer either.....YES I KNOW THIS!.....or answer....NO! I DID NOT KNOW THIS!

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    I know, usually Afghans transport the weapon on donkeys. Maybe you destroyed donkeys, but not mujahidin? Which passed then into ISIS?

    You precisely know what are you doing in Afghanistan? Maybe Americans need to stop to listen a such strategists as Zbigniew Brzezi&#324;ski. And to start working with Russians together in fight against the evil of ISIS - by Assad's hands! He will be happy to do it.
     

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