Russia caught lying again. Finally admits truth about MH17

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  1. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

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    You KNOW I have been advocating a Russian/American PARTNERSHIP right from the beginning!!!

    This Partnership was supposed to begin 12 years ago.

    Putin is the one that cancelled the Partnership...not the U.S.

    If Putin had not cancelled the Russian/American Partnership that was to begin with developing SIBERIAN INFRASTRUCTURE.....thus using AMERICAN SUPER COLD WEATHER DEVELOPMENT AND DRILLING EXPERIENCE.....in cooperation with RUSSIAN WORKERS.

    If this had happened and had not been cancelled by Putin Russia would have MILLIONS OF GOOD JOBS RIGHT NOW!!!

    The Russian Economy would be BOOMING.

    And the U.S. would not have to be doing what we are doing now.

    Now....WHY...do you think Putin cancelled this Partnership?

    I will tell you why....because he could not steal and skim profits nor could Putin seize all Private Companes especially those that American Investors would be pumping money into to develop a new market!!

    NOTHING GOOD can come out of Russia annexing the Crimea....NOTHING!!

    Instead we have to worry about what Nation Putin want's to annex next!!

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  2. DonRumataEstorsky

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    I Seen TV programs about this. That was long ago. How much the American taxpayers have paid? 100 million, 200, 300? This is a paltry figure. Immediately after the collapse of the USSR the US advisers monitored the work of senior officials. You had access to almost all the secrets of the Soviet Union. USA stole an infinite number of technologies. You bought 500 tons of weapons-grade uranium and plutonium for 12 billion In 1993. Now it is worth 8 trillion. Why so cheap it was sold? American advisers appointed oligarchs, wrote laws, created a system of government. The Russia in the early 90's applied for membership in NATO! The United States refused. Your choice was to rob our country. A robbery gone through the oligarchs, through the export of capital. You control of some ministers, for example. Kudrin, for example. He kept the ruble stronger than necessary. Because of this, in Russia did not develop exports. Because of this, the Russian market too many imports. Mechanisms robbery lot. It is a complex system. This I can talk for hours. I started to learn English when I saw disgusting snouts on Maidan in Ukraine. These were the American and European politicians. They came to rob the Ukraine and kill people of Ukraine. I knew right away that there will be war. But I thought that the war will be again with Europe and America. Now I see that Americans are afraid. Europe crap one's pants. When the Soviet Union collapsed the peoples was thinking that the US is friend. Europe is friend. We are fighting by thousands of years. We dreamed about peace on the planet. We want to see stars. We want to see other galaxies. We want to build a machines. You wanted to do to us almost like with Indians. How many do you kill them? 70 millions? It's well that experience has taught us not to release the weapons from the hands even in a dream.
     
  3. AboveAlpha

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    Try $300 BILLION in U.S. Taxpayers money!

    It was the Russian's who asked us to do this as after the collapse of the Soviet Union they had no money to buy back and destroy all those old Soviet Nuclear, Chemical and Biological Weapons.

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  4. Kiwi33

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    If it is simpler, it wasn't pleasant to you that Putin didn't obey you - he didn't allow to extort resources from Russia.

    And you began to do that what you do now. You started revenging Putin.

    In Ukraine you train radicals in fight against Putin.
    Ordered to Poroshenko that he bombed civilians of Donbass.

    In Eastern Europe you strengthen promotion, allegedly Putin wants to attack the Baltic countries. (you arm them).

    To civilians of Transnistria made blockade (as in Leningrad, only when you don't bomb yet)

    Against Russia imposed sanctions.

    In the Middle East, you pretend as though you battle to ISIS, but actually, thinking that ISIS will destroy Assad.

    And after Syria ISIS will go to Afghanistan and from there will attack Russia. (it is possible to join them the Russian Caucasus) on the other hand the Ukrainian radicals will strike. And in the West, will accuse Putin of all this.

    I correctly underspend?
    Or I missed something?
     
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    DonRumataEstorsky Banned

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    you are crazy? This figure in a dollars 90s years... All Russia's budget in 2015 of $ 300 billion. All budget!!! That is you Fibber)))
     
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    You are arrogant, untrustworthy, lying and hypocritical. What are you arrogant, untrustworthy, lying and hypocritical. From the outset, Russia proposed a referendum! A referendum on joining the EU, and so on. D. Let the people decide. But you came to Ukraine and filled it with blood. In 1991 there was a referendum and the people voted for the preservation of the USSR! America and Europe, you are hypocritical bastards. You do not care about democracy. You rob and kill all weak in the world.
     
  7. Kiwi33

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    IMHO
    Not all in the West such, here is people who criticize the western policy abroad... But unfortunately it isn't enough such people.

    Many, under the influence of long promotion, believe that the West carry democracy... (in the same way as we were Soviet believe, for the help to the brotherly people - simple people)

    Some western ''educated'' people as in the movie about gangster, they know that the father belong to mafia, but don't want to know as he earns a living...

    also some... which believe that only continuing ''policy of rigid force'' abroad, people of the developed West will have good life.
     
  8. AboveAlpha

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    Really?

    So all that time I and my Team spent in Russia and the Ukraine, Georgia, Azerbaijan and other former Soviet States providing Security for U.S. Military Nuclear, Chemical and Bilogical Weapons Destruction Teams as well as fending off a Terrorist Attack and Plan with members of the Russian Army near TURGAI and IRGIZ as a Group of Islamic Extremists almost achieved a bold plan of seizing a number of SOVIET MADE BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS which the end result was 1 Russian Soldier Dead....16 Russian Soldiers wounded and I came out of it with a small but LUCKY AS HELL the bullet did not strike me 1/2 Inch to the left....and two other Memebers of my Team were wounded....one with a THROUGH AND THROUGH AK-47's 7.62×39mm going right through the outside of the top of his left leg and the other member had a lot of shrapnel in his back from a Terrorist thrown Grenade.

    The Russian KID who died I liked very much. His name was младший сержант Misha Golovkin.

    You obviously don't know a DAMN THING about American's!!!

    No other Nation provides even CLOSE to the amount of AID TO OTHER NATIONS than does the United States and this is not limited to the U.S. Government it also includes Private Company Donations and Public Donations by every average everyday U.S. Citizens as well the Wealthy in the United States help donate massive programs.

    The United Nations Hunger, Disease and Clean Water Committtee estimates that the United States ALONE BY ITSELF is responsible for providing enough Food, Water and Medicine to keep over 1.2 Billion People Alive across the Globe!!!

    So when you state those things against the U.S....well the U.S. certainly is not perfect......but we as a Nation still do more for the Worlds Populatio than all the rest of all existing Nations combined!!!

    And if the neighbors of the CCCP and now Russia were feeling so safe and secure living next door to Russia....WHY....would they all be applying for NATO MEMBERSHIP???

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  9. AboveAlpha

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    Oh...and the U.S. DID NOT REFUSE RUSSIA NATO MEMBERSHIP!!!

    NATO is not just the United States and Canada as it is most of Europe!!!

    The United States wanted the EUROPEAN'S to agree to allow Russia entrance into NATO after a period of time where Russia had to work on the CRITERIA FOR BECOMING A MEMBER!!!!

    We...and when I say WE I am not only talking about the United States but I am talking about myself and my TEAM PERSONALLY as we had spent a LOT of time in Russia over the years working to develop better methods of COMMUNICATION and I was selected to HEAD THS PROGRAM after the near world ending disaster that was Soviet Leader Yuri Andropov who was a dying and delusional Soviet Leader who had his closest advocates in the Soviet KGB, GRU and Military CONVINCED then that the well announced in advance NATO Military Exersize would be a REAL FIRST STRIKE NUCLEAR ATTACK AGAINST THE SOVIET UNION.....and fortunately the CIA, KGB, GRU and NSA were able to assure the Soviet Nuclear Rocket Forces Military Leadership that Andropov was delusional and very sick.

    The world came to within about 45 seconds of ending.

    Now as of RIGHT NOW.....Putin has burned all his bridges with the European's after Putin seized every large Private Company in Russia who had a lot of money Invested in them by European Nations.

    Putin has also alienated CHINA because China gave several Large Putin Controlled State Owned Oil and Natural Gas Companies BILLIONS UPON BILLIONS OF U.S. DOLLARS...in one case $72 Billion for ONE of these Putin Controlled and Owned Russian Companies to dramatically increase Oil Exports to China.

    China gave Russia this money as Putin told China that Russia did not have the money to build and set up the extra Drilling Rigs, Pumping Stations and Pipelines necessary to fill the additional Oil China wanted exported.

    Putin and his 110 Buddies skimmed about $50 Billion from that one case where China gave Russia $72 Billion for the Oil Export Increase.

    Russia is nowhere near fullfilling their end of the agreement as Putin STOLE THAT EXTRA MONEY and as China agreed to pay Russia $120 a Barrel for Oil....China is asking....."WHERE THE HELL IS OUR ADDITIONAL OIL WE PAID FOR AND YOU PROMISED TO DELIVER!!??"

    Because of this China was BURNED as well and China is now REFUSING to pay Russia $120 a Barrel of Oil when China can buy Oil from the U.S. and Canada at $59 a Barrel.

    Thus....THE ONLY NATION LEFT WHO IS STILL WILLING TO HELP RUSSIA AND WORK WITH RUSSIA TO PROPERLY DEVELOP AND SET UP SUPER COLD WEATHER SIBERIAN INFRASTRUCTURE IS THE UNITED STATES AND CANADA.

    China does not have the experience or technology to do this ithout massive trial and error thus massive COST OVER RUNS!!

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  10. Kiwi33

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    I already told to you several times, in their countries people became poor and as in Western Europe life was better than in Russia, they entered the EU. EU countries enter NATO ''automatically''.

    And now we observe, life in many these countries isn't better than in Russia, and in some is worse. Also these countries can't pursue foreign policy (also and the western European countries) Everything orders the USA. But Russia the country with more than thousand-year history, and almost always it used the privilege to pursue independent foreign policy and today didn't change this tradition.
     
  11. AboveAlpha

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    Yeah.....right.....Russia is just a becon of good will....LOL!!!

    AboveAlpha
     
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    YES!
    You said a lot about how much America helps everyone. America robs 100 rubles and 1 ruble returns as aid. Why you making 20% (including fraud with reports) products and services but America consumes 40%? Because there are hidden mechanisms of robbery. The ruling class wants to enter In NATO! Because countries are dependent on IMF loans. Elites do all that ambassador of damned US says. Because countries are dependent on IMF loans. Elites do all that ambassador of US damned says. Now in the Ukrainian government there are not Ukrainians! This is possible because the country is in reality controls the US ambassador. Push in a anchor in the ass of US. You are was arming and training the Georgian army for 10 years. As a result, your a special forces had been killed and your Hamers stuffed with electronics had been captured. After that Condoleezza Rice squeal during several month. The US a special forces had no right to be in Georgia! The Lies of US. Lies, lies, lies. Putin did not steal private enterprises. It's you they were stolen, and Putin returned them to state ownership. Now Russia's budget gets a hundred times more revenue than the paid pro-American oligarchs. You're lying about the stolen $ 70 billion. If Putin had stolen from China 70 billion then China would have resented loud and long. About the nuclear threat that the Americans prevented at the last second I do not want to even comment. Hollywood nonsense.
     
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    Just look at Romania, Bulgaria, Slovakia, Hungary, Moldova are a poor countries. The people living in these countries is worse than in Soviet times. EU destroyed the production in these countries. Now they live on credit, but it would be when it comes time to pay the bills?
     
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    The Supreme main command in Europe is headed by the Supreme Commander - always — the American general.

    ...and you wanted that Russia was a member like the simple soldier (the younger partner you called )
     
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    Russia Holy country!
     
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    That that the USA sponsors many poor people it is the fact. And I am grateful to them for it. (They could and not sponsor, but still do it)
     
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    well...:fingerscrossed: but anyway,someone really hoped that in the EU will be better, but elite in the majority bribed. I guess( bankers in the US make a dollar all time in three shifts, all know it:smile:
     
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    When I and my Team were sent in to be security for American Military Nuclear, Chemical and Biologcal Weapons Destruction Teams when in Russia we were escorted by Russian Military.

    Some of these areas back in the day especially the Old Soviet Biological Weapons Storage and Lab sites we ran into a few Groups trying to steal Bioweapons.

    In one case a firefight broke out.....and a young Russian Soldier was killed.

    I was slightly wounded and so were other Rusian's and American's.

    The Old Soviet Bioweapons Labs were abandoned and a COMLETE MESS.

    The Russian's did not have either the money or the Tech. to clean them up properly and the CDC was brought in.

    If even ONE of those Old Soviet Biological Weapons or warheads had been grabbed....some had Weaponized Small Pox in a String of Pearls Warhead Configuration usually used for VX gas....it could have wiped out half or more of the Russian population.

    These were GLASS BALLS under pressure with Biologics inside them.

    If even on had broken.....Millions could have died.

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    What are you talking about? Look at the Nigeria! There are many oil and total poverty. Why is that? Because Royal Dutch Shell picks oil. State officials have been controlled the corporation. The corporation takes 100 rubles and 1 ruble returns as aid. Thus everywhere in the world.
     
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    Maybe you mixed the Russian with the Kazakh? it is a lot of Soviet biological researches was in the Soviet Kazakhstan. in 1991 they became the independent country.
     
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    I read in the Russian segment of internet about the deletion of chemical weapons. AboveAlfa invented a lot. The Russia is also engaged in the destruction of chemical weapons. There are laboratories and they work. Americans have in head a lot of propaganda about The Russia. Perhaps, AboveAlfa seen many nonsenses on TV.
     
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    In Russia I'm for sure 100%, terrorists can't get it, all laboratory are in the closed cities to which even now, Russians without special admission can't go to these cities.:cool:

    In Ukraine now everything possibly, Banderovites - nazi can find something dangerous in old, not known storages and carry out it not only to Russia but also to Europe. Here then, Europeans will understand... but will be late:oldman:
     
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    The USA in the majority the Christian country, is a lot of simple people in all sincerity, sponsor poor people in the different countries. Also and rich, for example Angelina Jolie sponsors (is engaged in humanitarian aid), it is more than the Ukrainian government. I guess.
     
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    That is the intelligent question. Who benefits from the shootdown? Not Russia, for all they got was sanctions and demonization.

    The US and Kiev benefit. Propaganda value and demonization of Russia.
     
  25. AboveAlpha

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    The Soviets had a lot of Biological Weapons deployed and housed in Kazakastan.

    But the Bioweapos Labs Component engineering and construction were done in Russia because the Russian's smartly did not trust their own Soviet Republics.

    The Russian Labs were and are a MESS!!

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