SU-35 vs F-22 RAPTOR Fighters Battle

Ehm ... yes, but obviously a miss-understanding?
What I mean is that USAF, Navy and Marines used F-15, F-16 and F-14 as well F-18 ... but Iraq didn't have planes of this generation ... aside some Mig-29 and Mig-25 ... but in majority with planes of 1 generation earlier, means generation whete their US enemy was F-4 Phantom.

So the US Air domination was no wonder or any real sign to have superior weapons etc.

 

AND the A-10 like I said

Yes, and the F18 as well. STILL, the topic of discussion is the F22 and an f35 is not an F22, soooo not sure of your point.

 

Let's stay with the original debate.

More mass...means more thrust to take the turn and this has a limit.

AboveAlpha

 

It does not matter. Coalition maintained better airfiled and aircraft controls. Coalition broke radar control of the Iraq. That is much more important than generation of planes.
See GWAPS.

 

You like A-10? It's one of the most disputed plane in USAF

But not Super Hornets

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Ok
I ask you a question.
Can one F-22 employ AIM-120D to down another F-22 at full AIM-120D's range?

 

I cannot discuss this.

AboveAlpha

 

Because you have not answer?

 

No....I have an answer....I just cannot discuss it.

AboveAlpha

 

No, you have not
Btw have you heard about F-15 Silent Eagle and F-18 Super Hornet?
What do you think about that?

And about 2.5 M turn - you are right - it's better for F-15 to slow down a speed. But turns takes a couple of min at 0.8M and if Mig-25 keep same speed - F-15 is not able to hit it anymore during that combat

 

The F-18 Superhornet is one hell of a good fighter.

The Boeing F-15SE Silent Eagle is a stealth version of the F-15E Strike Eagle.

As far as the MiG-25....it was designed specifically to intercept the B-1 Bomber.

But the MiG-25 is made out of STEEL thus it rusts and it was at one time capable of obtaining Mach 3 velocities for a short time but against an F-15....this MiG-25 is easy prey.

AboveAlpha

 

Would seem the main dispute is that many in the military who use and rely upon the A-10, don't want to see it go. And would seem to be more than sufficient for ground attack somewhere like Iraq while an f-35 would seem to be an incredibly expensive overkill.

 

My brother in law just retired from the airforce. Flew the Super Hornet for 15 of his 20 years.

 

I personally LOVE the A-10.

And so does anyone who has found themselves surrounded by enemy mechanized forces.

One of my Team members used to say that he would get...."WOOD"....just hearing that....BBBRRRRRTRRRRUUUPPP!!!! sound of the The General Electric GAU-8/A Avenger which is a 30 mm. hydraulically driven seven-barrel Gatling-type cannon that was built around it the Fairchild Republic A-10 Thunderbolt II and the GAU-8/A Avenger is capable of firing depleated Uranium Rounds which will cut through any armor at about 4,200 rounds per minute.

It and the F-15E are without a doubt the most feared attack aircraft on the planet.

AboveAlpha

 

Have you read GWAPS?

I just make some cite:

General Chuck Horner, the 'Air Boss' in Desert Storm, gets to have the last word on whether the A-10 or an A-10 'like' platform qualifies as the 'best' CAS tool in the future

Q: This conflict has shown that?
A: It shows that the gun has a lot of utility, which we always knew, but it isn't the principal tank-killer on the A-10. The [Imaging Infrared] Maverick is the big hero there. That was used by the A-10s and the F-16s very, very effectively in places like Khafji.
The other problem is that the A-10 is vulnerable to hits because its speed is limited. It's a function of thrust, it's not a function of anything else. We had a lot of A-10s take a lot of ground fire hits. Quite frankly, we pulled the A-10s back from going up around the Republican Guard and kept them on Iraq's [less formidable] front-line units. That's line [sic] if you have a force that allows you to do that. In this case, we had F-16s to go after the Republican Guard.
Q: At what point did you do that?

A: I think I had fourteen airplanes sitting on the ramp having battle damage repaired, and I lost two A- 10s in one day [February 15], and I said, "I've had enough of this." ....

 

The F-18 Superhornet....while it looks like a regular F-18 to the layman is an entirely different aircraft as it is much larger and has a much higher level of capabilities.

AboveAlpha

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YACC!!!

Your American!!!

I KNEW IT!!!

AboveAlpha

 

You forgot that both those planes have reduced Radar Cross Section and AESA radars. And can employ AIM-120D
Both of them can hit F-22 at BVR.

B-70

No one Mig-25 has been killed at high-speed high-altitude profile ever

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No, I'm russian. But I'm very familiar with US planes and best sources ( like RAND and GWAPS )

 

Never heard of GWAPs and I was referring to Iraq today. The above sounds like the 91 war. And in the 2003 war I believe only 1 was shot down.

 

I would recommend to read it.
Gulf War Air Power Survey - GWAPS

You know, I liked A-10 before I have readed that.

 

You mean the XB-70 Valkyrie....yes...your right of course but we never produced them other than a few Test Bombers.

I cannot discuss the other question.

AboveAlpha

 

Yes. It's able to intercept XB-70

I know that it's just classified
But "No one Mig-25 has been killed at high-speed high-altitude profile ever" is a fact

 

Oh....and we have shot down quite a few MiG-25's as you are correct that no MiG-25 has been shot down by another aircraft when the MiG-25 was traveling over Mach 2.4....but then again at that velocity the MiG-25 serves no function as B-1B's fly low to the ground with their ground hugging radar computerized flight....and when Iraqi MiG-25's fired Air to Air Missiles at F-15's....the F-15's were able to burn out the Russian made Air to Air Missiles Guidance systems....then easily destroy the MiG-25's.

Same thing with the MiG-29's which are a very good aircraft but they are simply no match for an F-15.

AboveAlpha

 

But not at high-speed high-altitude profile

That is the target for Mig-23 - not Mig-25

That's wrong
A pair of American F-15 Eagles later squared off against a pair of Iraqi MiG-25s. The MiGs launched missiles though the Eagles were able to evade. The Foxbats then proceeded to outrun the Eagles at speed. With the Eagles in chase, another pair of F-15s joined the fray and all launched some 10 missiles total against the Foxbats - again, none hitting their mark. Ultimately, three MiG-25s were finally downed by American USAF F-15 crews - two during actions in the Gulf War proper and a further downed by an F-16 Fighting Falcon during patrol of the post-war "No-Fly Zone" over Southern Iraq.
they were not killed during the same combat

 

You will have to provide a source for me on this.

AboveAlpha

 

I'm not sure about english sources but Mig-25 is unable to intercept look-down tagets lower than 300 meters above the terrain. Mig-23 can do that.
Moreover B-1B is in service since 1986 but Mig-25 since 1970s

 

No...I am talking about a source for the story about the MiG-25's and the F-15's.

AboveAlpha