SU-35 vs F-22 RAPTOR Fighters Battle

I'm just commenting that statement of Alpha :
This was of course a FAIRY TALE as although the MiG-25 was a very fast aircraft....it could not maneuver worth a damn!! A MiG-25 could be flying at Mach 1 to Mach 3 but it would take 25 miles of distance before the damn MiG-25 could turn 90 degrees!! LOL!!

Because it's wrong. At high speed ALL aircrafts have big turn radius.

 

I agree that there is very little chance that Russian Piloted Aircraft would ever be fighting USAF Aircraft.

However Soviet and Russian made aircraft flown by other Nations have fought against USAF and U.S. Navy Aircraft and the result over the last 35 years has been the defeat of Soviet and Russian made aircraft with only a few cases where U.S. Aircraft have been downed.

As an example the American made and flown F-15 has NEVER been shot down by another aircraft of any nation and has in combat shot down all adversaries including Soviet and Russian made Air Superiority Fighters such as the MiG-29.

Now this topic is about which aircraft would win in combat...either the USAF F-22 Raptor or a Russian Su-35?

Even if the newest variant being the Su-35s was to go up against the F-22 Raptor...and even though the Su-35s is an incredibly maneuverable Jet Fighter......the Su-35 is still only a Gen.4 aircraft where the F-22 is a Gen. 5 Stealth Aircraft that cannot be detected by the Su-35s.

Given the F-22's stealth and computer processing power which is equal to two networked Cray Supercomputers as the Raptor is also used as a Mini-AWAC as it can direct other fighters into battle as well is linked to USAF and U.S. Navy AWAC's ....as well as U.S. Recon. Satellites.....the F-22 Pilot would know EXACTLY where any enemy aircraft would be for thousands of miles in any direction.

The F-22 Raptor would be able to track an Su-35s from a distance way beyond the Su-35s ability to track anything and even if the F-22 was within radar or IR-Light Detection because of both the Stealth and Engine Exhaust Cooling and Electromagnetic Spectrum IR-Light Cloaking ability a Raptor could be right in front of an Su-35s at night and the Su-35s Pilot would never know the F-22 Raptor was even there.

Even during the day in the extremely unlikely event that an F-22 Raptor was within visual range of an Su-35s....the Su-35s Pilot would still not even be able to get a missile lock on the F-22.

The operation in a war of F-22 Raptors would be to achieve complete and total Air Supremacy and they would come in tracking all enemy aircraft from great distances....and simply from BVR fire AMRAAM AIM-120C's and D's and eventually be firing the CUDA's and destroy any enemy aircraft including any Su-35s before the enemy Pilots even knew what was happening.

AboveAlpha

 

OK.....it's a fact that the higher the velocity an aircraft fly's....the wider and longer the turn radius.

But you take a MiG-25 and an F-15....both aircraft were designed to be Interceptors....but the F-15 was also designed to be maneuverable and capable of making tight turns at high velocities.

You have both the F-15 and MiG-25 flying at 40,000 feet and both flying at Mach 2.5....and then have both make a 180 Degree Turn as fast as is possible for a Human Pilot to stay conscious....the F-15 will already be heading the opposite direction while the MiG-25 is still only 65% or less into it's turn.

AboveAlpha

 

I will ask you this question AGAIN.

Please answer.

Say you have two Su-35's.

Both Su-35's are identical in size and design and materials they are made of but one Su-35 is almost out of fuel and the other Su-35 has full internal tanks and neither Su-35 is carrying any external fuel tanks or missiles or bombs.

The weight and MASS difference is 1 TON.

NOW.....both Su-35's make an identical turn at the exact same velocity and both are at the same altitude.

YOU TELL ME WHICH SU-35 WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE A TIGHTER TURN??

AboveAlpha

 

Exactly; the Luftwaffe used this tactic when hunting Allied bombers during the last war. They would manouevre into the bomber's blind spot and, using 'schrage musik' upward firing cannon, would bring the bomber down. Very effective against aircraft like the Halifax or Lancaster with no ventral turret.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schräge_Musik

 

No. Since speed is same than turn radius at Mach 2.5 will be almost the same. Load factor ( G factor ) will decrease for both airplanes at 40.000 .
Here is F-4. look at load factor as a function of Altitude and Speed.

 

You are using the turn radius specs of an F-4??? THE FLYING BRICK!!!??? LOL!!!

COME ON!!!

Look at the turn radius specs of an F-15 at Mach 2.5 and a MiG-25 at Mach 2.5!!!!

The F-15 will already be 30 Miles heading the other direction before the MiG-25 even finishes it's turn!!

You cannot use the turning radius of an F-4 and compare that with the turning radius of an F-15!!!

They are not even close!!!

AboveAlpha

 

If sustained turn speed is the same and G factor ( bank angle ) is the same both planes will turn at the same rate.

 

The heavier Su-35 will have to increase it's thrust at a ratio specific to the differential of it's own greater mass to the other Su-35 of less mass.

This can only be done to a LIMIT.

At a specific high enough velocity the Su-35 of greater mass will not be capable of making as tight of a turn as the Su-35 of less mass.

AboveAlpha

 

First of all F-15 is unable to keep 2.5 M at 40.000 ft

 

It makes sense for high altitudes because heaviest Su has to incrase attack angle to keep same lift force. That result in increasing of drag force. Therefore it has to increase trust as well to keep same speed.
Nevertheless turn rate will be the same.

 

So make it Mach 2.

No one makes turns doing Mach 2.5 or higher anyways.

AboveAlpha

 

So, have we decided who has the biggest dick yet?

 

Mig-25 can do. Sr-71 can do.

 

Well, I ask you another question - is one F-22 able to detect another F-22 at long distance?

Mig-31 is able to do that since beginning of 1980s

BVR is not reliable. CUDA is just concept now.

 

Humorous given both have syphilis ! Modern Missile technology has rendered these planes obsolete.

The Serbs, during the war in Yugoslavia in the lat 90's, managed not only to see the "stealth" F 117 but to shoot it down using 1960's missile technology. They hit one other F117 and downed and F-16. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_F-117A_shootdown

Human piloted aircraft are no match for today's missile sophistication and the gap widens further every year.

 

[video=youtube_share;cP0f1_f8nuc]http://youtu.be/cP0f1_f8nuc[/video]

 

lolz at chubby irishwoman talking about dogfights.

Shes a true warrior, no one else will out fight her.

Lolz at the russian forumite citing an irish woman broadcaster, complete with video.

Let alone her talking about an attack aircraft as if its an air superiority fighter.

Lolz at the lefty distortion of reality!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

look from 1:15 when Pierre Sprey speaks, very sad story about F-35

PS: on russian video more details
The latest F-35 fighter was so bad that the U.S. Air Force had to issue the instruction for pilots which orders as it is necessary to react to plane criticism. In the print media and online mass media too often point out the defects of the fighter praised by Americans: insufficient maneuverability, heavy weight, problems with the engine. Besides, the National Security Network non-profit organization claims that according to characteristics of F-35 concedes even Soviet MiG-29 and Su-27. The aviation engineer Pierre Spreille notes that affairs at F-35 go everything worse and PR managers of BBC take more and more desperate measures.https://youtu.be/XipybOn5fr8

 

lolz, buddy, please dont tell me you formulate your opinions of ANY advanced fighter aircraft based on dated Irish media.

If you do, I love it.

Tell me Im right, comrade.

 

What is for me very funny to read all the time at such discussions when US weapons are compared with others in the world – no matter if Western or Russian – is the general teenager behavior of both sides in matter of my one is longer as your one!

In general are the US weapons by their supports held so high to be (nearly) unbeatable and such superior to all others in the world … that it really becomes obviously that this side underestimating everything else.
Sure, it is undeniable that US weapons are top and in several things in advantage, but this silly thinking nothing can match them is annoying much … because simply untrue. Sure, they fought off most during the last 20-30 years, but honestly: What and who were their enemies at least?
Looking on Gulf War of 1991, they fought a dozen Mig-29 lower class version and aside them mostly planes which were of a generation where the main fighter of the USA was the Phantom II … and USA fought here with 1 or 2 generation later generations. No wondering that this was Turkey shooting …

On the other hand is the other side more or less looking to attack any weak point of the other and any article and whatever telling that their weapons are so wonderful and at least better as US is pointed out and highlighted like mad!

Very funny to read this all here … because both sides are ignoring pure facts like 1+1=2 … particularly if the other side is telling them, then they are irrelevant etc.

 

Whoops!

Overspend to the tune of $1.5 trillion. But at least it keeps the aircraft company executives (and dare I suggest some senior Pentagon types?) in champagne and clover, I suppose. So it's not all downside...

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Can someone translate this into plain English for me please?

 

The topic of discussion is the F22. The f35 is replacing the A 10, an attack aircraft.

 

F35 is replacing F-16.
F22 was designed to replace F-15

 

Only F-4G was used. Most aerial victories were performed by F-15. Iraq did not use AWACS.