Has the Lincoln Project gone too far?

I am not American but I do remember the grief and outrage of 9/11 and I wonder how people feel. I know what the reaction of many of the right will be - outrage - especially among those who are still maintaining that Jan 6 was just some tourists but it is the rest of you who take time to consider all aspects that I would love to hear from

 

Yeah, sexually harassing people is indeed too far.

 

Apples and oranges but too far? No.

 

The hyperbole has been pretty outrageous making it entertaining. I just feel sorry for the dupes that actually fall for it.

 

Well terrorists are terrorists. But yeah... a bit too far for my taste.

AlQaeda are mass murderers. The only one those right-wing terrorists wanted to actually kill was Mike Pence.

 

It is a very slick piece, I like the way they bounce from both 9/11 footage and the Jan 6th incident to underline its message. The two events may not necessarily be the same, but the results of the aftermath are similar. They are not pulling any punches. They frame Donnie in the same light as OBL. It is meant to make Trump supporters uncomfortable.

Is it effective? Only time will tell.

 

Lincoln Project consist of some of the slimiest GOP operatives you can imagine, so this is pretty par for the course when it comes to these grifters.

 

You must not have been alive when 9/11 happened.

 

in any other world, it would be hilariously poor taste satire. In this world, unfortunately, its insidious propaganda that some folks actually believe...

 

Many Trunt acolytes still believe 9/11 was an inside (false flag) job, and that there was no plane that hit the Pentagon or a field in Pennsylvania. Hauntingly similar, actually.

 

That’s really not the case, but you do you.

 

Yet the left and formal democrats excuse actual violence by the left and call those fomenting it a myth.

 

I tend to view terrorism as a fake term designed to rob you of your liberties. What measures are unacceptable against a terrorist? Literally none.

Terror is not an ideology.

 

That last line is like something out of a parody

 

I think the January 6th attack was worse. The attack on September 11 was a one off attack, with no follow up. The attack was an end in itself. The attack on January sixth was a mob, ginned up by the Big Lie, in an effort to overthrow our electoral system. An effort that had been ongoing for months. An effort that was spearheaded by the former president desperate to hang onto power, assisted by dozens of Congressional Republicans. It is an ongoing effort as Republican controlled state after Republican controlled state has been passing laws allowing them to alter election outcomes that are not to their liking.

There is a clear divide in America that is quite telling. The most liberal states have the most open voting systems. As a result, the most Democratic states have the highest voter participation. In the most conservative states, there tends to be lots of road blocks on the way to the ballot box. Thus Republican held states tend to have rather low voter turnout.

Georgia is kind of interesting. Stacey Abrams worked diligently to ensure the election stayed fair. Many expected a higher turnout among Blacks, but the turnout remained flat. The increases the Democratic Party has made in Georgia have been among the educated and wealthy. They have even made inroads to rural Georgia. Texas is another state that is turning blue and the Republicans are starting to get desperate, and to panic. Texans cheered when they brought in truckloads of tech jobs, unaware that techies tend to vote Democratic.

 

By far, it's NO comparison. The American people mourned and came together within our communities, states and even at the Federal level after 9/11. It was a deeply emotional blow for many, many people as we watched it unfold on every station (not just news programs). I was personally impacted as I lost an uncle that day and they took quite a hit at airports naturally. My FIL and ex both worked for United and both lost most of their retirement funds. So, in that sense, 9/11, while tragic was a big enough catalyst to UNITE us against ONE *foreign* evil monster.

It was "us" versus "him". We stood in unison on that.

Conversely, the Capitol riots have deepened the divide. Families are becoming estranged, people are sitting in jail desperately looking to the man they did that for only to be met with his very loud "silence". You see, Trump doesn't give back. It's never reciprocal with him. He takes, and takes and takes and takes even more. As his niece wrote in her book about him "it's never enough". How can a BILLIONAIRE take from people on retirement income? Just that one thing shows you who he really is. Trump wanted the glory (and protection against his mounting legal battles) of the position but NONE of the responsibility that comes with it.

Now, it is once again "us" versus "him"

BUT the "him" looks like us. As you know, some people just refuse to accept the truth about the Monster in the room. I guess that's less painful that admitting they backed a domestic terrorist (sorry to be blunt but that's what he is). I posted earlier that he has set our country back years, if not decades. Our grandchildren will still be trying to pick up the pieces of all the damage he's caused.

So, in that sense, while I don't care for this particular "style" of presentation, we all know that a large percentage of people aren't going to do any research. They aren't going to ask questions. They aren't going to do any of the psychological work needed to hear this message and admit they backed the wrong horse. That's a very hard thing to do and we see it every day on this forum. They dig their heels in and tune out everything they don't like.

Those of us that do research and read and listen to all sides are in the minority. So, can this work as a message to people that need to hear it? Probably not. If

hundreds of thousands of deaths,
shady charities,
slippery slope tax evasion,
rip-off diploma mill university

and paying off a hooker while his former soft lesbian porn wife is home with their newborn isn't enough....this isn't going to reach them.

Psychologically, it takes YEARS to recognize trauma and even more time to find the right professional to get it all sorted out.

Spoiler alert: Trump has done more damage to our country than OBL could ever fantasize about.

P.S. Trumpers, don't respond to me if you just want to call me names and defend the indefensible. I don't want to hear it. If you have something that refutes anything I've posted, share it. Otherwise, don't come at me acting crazy. I'm NOT THE ONE.

 

There are many reasons a person might have for gauging those events that way. If I had a loved one lose their life on January 6th, I would be more inclined to think that was a more tragic event. We all perceive the world through our own lens. It's not a reason to suggest someone is mentally ill.

 

We seen over 3000 Americans die on 9/11 alone.
9/11 was the catalyst for destabilization in the Middle East, and 20 years of unending war that consumed over 7,000 US military personnel, another 30,000 seriously wounded, over 200,000 Iraqis that we know of died, who knows how many Iraqis were seriously wounded, 240,000 Afghani civilian deaths, and a humanity catastrophe in the form of a refugee crisis.
Not to mention that our country is stained by torture carried out in the name of security, and the security state powers being expanded to a unimaginable levels.
Let’s try to get some perspective, ok.

 

If the "Lincoln Project" are Republicans then Ali Khamenei is a Baptist......

 

They aren't the same and really can't be compared; but thankfully they both failed.

If 911 had succeeded we would have lost the most beautiful ❤️ building, in architecture and purpose, the world has ever known. It would have been rebuilt.

If 106 had succeeded we would have lost our way of life and all we stand for; Government by the PEOPLE. Perhaps never to be seen again.

 

their conservative and republican credentials are impeccable. are trump's?

 

And many Democrats still believe the Muh Rushan Clooshun Lie. We have several on this board.

 

I don’t do hypotheticals, i do facts.
Now tell me how you’re going rebuild all the lives lost directly, and indirectly due to 9/11.


Wow

 

and January 6 was an attempt to overturn an election, overturn the Constitution, and impose the will of the minority on the US people

 

Don't be dense; I was thinking about OUR Capitol building.