One in five Covid-19 cases in US now from Florida: ‘This is becoming a pandemic of the unvaccinated’

False information. No testing is done for EUA, it’s a bureaucratic bypass.

 

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19...ave-been-double-jabbed-says-vallance-12359317


60% of people being admitted to hospital with #COVID19 in England have had two doses of a coronavirus vaccine, according to the government's chief scientific adviser.

 

What the hell are you talking about? Moderna's MRNA vaccine is NOT therapeutic. Are you still fixated on trying to mend the fact that you confused the Covid vaccine with a therapy?

Move on, man! All you're doing is underlining your mistake.

Why? All that matters is that it's NOT experimental. The fact that it's still being investigated whether they should be administered to children, or tweaked to deal with the Delta variant... and other variants that anti-vaxers will likely develop, is of no concern to people taking the shot today. Unless you can tell us WHY this fact is of any relevance to them.

 

Perhaps you should read the link or did you just copy it from someone else without bothering to check?

Meanwhile:
Deaths of the under 50s. Two of the dead were fully vaccinated, 21 of the dead were unvaccinated. Now, you may look at those figures and say the ration is 2:21. It's actually better than that because more than half of every adult age range has had at least one dose so that ratio means the 2 dead came from a larger pool of people.

Other info from page 17: Twenty times more unvaccinated people than vaccinated people under 50 were admitted to hospital during the period Feb 1st to 21st June.
https://assets.publishing.service.g...ants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_18.pdf

 

But, not everyone gets a flu shot.

 

He/she already admitted to not wanting to prove anything. Just closes eyes and ears and sings loudly.

 

Maybe if everybody did we could obtain herd immunity against the flu.

Actually, I doubt it. There are too many strains of the flu, and no vaccine works for all. But...who knows...

 

There will forever be some strain of some virus that will infect all living things in some way.

The best defense against virus' is to have a healthy immune system.
Go play in the dirt, get some healthy bacteria into one's body.

IMO, all this anti bacterial products is making human sicker and more susceptible to viruses.

 

I agree. Though not many that will kill close to 5 million people.

 

Not everyone can have a healthy immune system for 100s of reasons.
Those are the ones who need a vaccine, who need to take extra precautions.

Many that have caught covid, where asymptomatic or very minor effects.
But yet it killed a great many with weak immune systems and most of them before we knew what was really going on.

We were correct to over react. Better safe than sorry is a very good motto to live by.

 

People are dying, Bearack, because of the variant, and to the vast majority of deaths are happening to the unvaccinated.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-unvaccinated’.590043/page-11#post-1072786989

 

Golem, Vaccines that receive EUA are considered experimental until the FDA formally approves it, which will be after phase three trials are concluded in 2023.

However, it's safe to presume they are safe as history proves that no long term issue happened AT the long term, they happen within six weeks.

Given the emergency pandemic, getting the vaccine is safer than the odds of dying if one gets the virus.

 

I don't read links without personal commentary about why they are important to the discussion.

 

This is a new pandemic?

 

People who have a healthy immune system should be the FIRST in line to get the shot. They are the most dangerous because they spread the virus without even knowing. And it's very likely (makes sense) that the Delta variant was developed in people with very strong immune systems. If you have a weak immune system, you get infected, you'll feel terrible, you'll be isolated... If you have a strong immune system, only a strong variant (like the delta variant) can stay alive in your body long enough to infect others and reproduce the mutation that makes it more lethal. The Delta variant is VERY lethal even among people with a strong immune system. And let's not focus only on deaths. The life-long consequences are remarkable. So people with a strong immune system might not die. But they could end up wishing they had.

 

Considered experimental by whom?

The FDA did formally approve them.

 

I know imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, and I thank you. But that is not an external link. It's a link to the answer I wrote IN this forum.

Instead of flattery, what you need to do is understand the rules of the forum.

 

https://www.northwell.edu/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine/frequently-asked-questions
Under the 'Vaccine safety and effectiveness' section

Why is the COVID-19 vaccine considered experimental?

Vaccines that receive EUA are considered experimental until the FDA formally approves it. It is possible that a rare side effect will be found after mass vaccination allows a longer term of observation on a larger number of people, but most side effects are picked up in the first several months after vaccination.

The EUA (emergency use application ) approval does not formally constitute an approval of the vaccine, that can't happen until the phase three trials are completed and a thorough review is done (completion date is 2023), but it is a good thing that the EUA was approved, it's like a 'so far so good' approval, on that there is no doubt. They approved it because of the urgency of the pandemic, and the data was promising enough to warrant approval of the EUA and in the face of the existential threat it is to the planet.

yeah, anti-vaxxers are going to use that against the vaccine, which is sad, because the odds of dying from covid as unvaccinated person is greater than, for all intents and purposes based on existing data, than the unlikely probability of a long term side effect, though, yes, technically speaking, it is possible.

 

12-18 year olds are more likely to die from the vaccine than from Covid.

 

Your absolutely right.... that I need to move on. You decided to die on a hill that was unattainable with your inability to understand the basic concept of mRNA technology. I do not have the time nor energy to teach you the concept as it would be like teaching a 3rd grader calculus.

To say it's not an experimental treatment is just down right wrong and disingenuous as they are STILL capturing data and people are still having adverse events (many SAE's mind you), hence experimental. You mention the Polio vaccine and I pointed out the dangers of rushing an experimental vaccine as the Polio vaccine which did a chit ton damage to people. And if you think our government (or any government for that matter) is well intention, least not forget the Tuskegee syphilis experiment that lasted 40 years at the expense of many black males lives.

The mental gymnastics and your inability to grasp the basic concepts with you are surely not worth the time or effort so good day.

 

They are wrong
https://www.reuters.com/article/fac...y-have-not-skipped-trial-stages-idUSL1N2M70MW

and, more importantly, per CDC
"...COVID-19 vaccines are not experimental. "
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/vaccine-benefits.html

If the vaccines were experimental, it would be a violation of the Nuremberg Code to require anybody to vaccinate. In June 2021, U.S. District Judge Lynn Hughes dismissed a lawsuit by employees of the Houston Medical Hospital System claiming that the vaccines were experimental.
https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-cont...ston-methodist-lawsuit-order-of-dismissal.pdf

The Emergency Use Application was approved by the FDA. The other possibility is BLA or Biologic Lab Application. When the latter is approved, that's what people call "full approval". They are simply two different types of approval. The use of the expression "full approval" is colloquial. They are referring to BLA. The difference between "approved" and "authorized" is pure semantics.

BLA requires more evidence of effectiveness. Not of safety. Testing for safety have exactly the same requirements for BLA as for EUA. There is no pre-set time, except for the time it takes for the bureaucratic process to take place. The tests are exactly the same. But BLA requires that the manufacturer indicate, for example, for how long the vaccine will be effective. If they say it's effective for 1 year, then it's going to take at least 1 year. If they say it's 2 years, than that's going to take 2 years... (there are also ways to project this in some cases... being so new, probably not in this one for now) Phase 3 started a year ago. So we now they are effective for at least a year. But in the pursuit of herd immunity, we don't care that much for how long the vaccine is effective. We'll get a booster when we need it. Nobody needs one right now so, for the moment, it doesn't matter.

Therefore, it is accurate to say that the vaccines were approved for Emergency Use, and they are most definitely not experimental.

We should not fall into this semantics trap that the antivaxers are trying to set up.

 

You must be only listening to RW "news". All the top, leading medical experts are all over the MSM with numbers, statistics, and everything you could want for evidence. The OP is correct and you aren't.

 

And opposing leading medical experts, most immersed in the physical science, are being censored. It's those who believes the MSM as gospel that is the most dangerous in this nation. They lap up the narrative without any conscience rebuke.

 

Right... but before you move on... you asked for long term data, I provided you with the link. You still need to correct your statement.

What nonsense! That is NOT what makes a vaccine experimental.

Covid vaccine has passed all the safety testing requirements. The same safety testing that a so-call "fully authorized" vaccine needs to pass. It is absolutely NOT "experimental". It would be against the Nuremberg Code to require the application of an experimental vaccine to ANYBODY other than volunteers. It has been adjudicated IN COURT that this is not an experimental vaccine.

So your only argument boils down to "the Polio vaccine did damage to people, therefore, the Covid vaccine does damage to people"

Never mind that the logic is so obviously inexistent. The fact you even attempt such an argument clearly exposes your desperation. It's clear that you yourself know that you have no arguments.

I am awaiting the correction requested on my first paragraph. I did the "legwork" to get you your information. The minimum I should get in return is that you acknowledge it. Don't you think that's fair?

 

Cool, semantics is the thing. I was under the impression that anything not approved after phase three trials was experimental, based on what some (whom I believed were authoritative) say, whose words I relied on.

Thank you.