As it stands, is there a single SHRED of evidence that the vaccine prevents transmission?

There's no solid science on the effectiveness of cloth masks on Delta. I'm not sure that there's much science on N95's against Delta, but we can reasonably assume that they will have a reasonable effect.

 

I'm not convinced that masks have a significant effect in the real world, CERTAINLY not with Delta. Has there been any study done outside of a lab?

Both vaccinated and unvaccinated people will contribute to the spreading of COVID.

 

What do you mean "the proof is in actual compliance?"

 

What's the science behind the slower the spread, the more it mutates?

 

What long term losses?

Really interesting stuff to think about!

 

Look at the post responded to. If these were cheap and available, everyone would be using them. We know the infected crowd isn’t. Many are dead now.

 

If you’re truly interested, you’d research that yourself.

 

Masks are expensive?

 

You're the one making the claim that the science is solid!

 

If you are locked down - you are not contacting anyone .. so doesn't have a chance to spread.. Mutation is not really a function of time in that respect. It is more a function of how many people it spreads to - and whethere or not the virus survives those enounters - and the conditions that it has survived.

Think of bacteria - anti biotic resistence. Start with population of bacteria -- add small amount of anti biotic - which killes most but not all of the bacteria -- those not killed being slightly resistent to the anti biotic .. into the next vessel - add nutrients to re-establish big population - add larger amount of anti biotic , but not enough to kill everyone -- reculture those that survive .. and repeat.

Each time the Bacteria becomes more resistant to the anti-biotic through mutation - "Natural Selection" - Survival of those most adapted to the local environment .. which in this case is the one's who have the most resistence.

 

The short term gain is that the person's symptom severity is decreased - those who are in the aforementioned groups (obese, comorb,pnuemonia) will have less hospital visits.

Long term losses is that you used a product that was not very good -- and so did not stop transmission - did not kill the bugs - stop them from moving on to the next person - and so the virus learns to evade the defenses that the vax provides - rendering the product that was not very good to begin with - even less so.

 

No it doesn't.

 

What would it take to justify any type of vaccine mandate do you think? 100% protection from infection when vaccinated?

 

I thought that you were saying that there are long term losses from vaccine mandates.

 

definitely - as the vax is not a vax ... so it does not stop transmission -- so it stays around mutating into different forms .. requiring a new vaccine every few months .. and if you keep using the old one .. its effectiveness wanes .. so you have to take booster after booster ad infinitum .. each time incurring a risk of harm from the vax .. one which is equal to the risk of Covid for most people - but when you take the vax over and over and over ... the risk of harm from the vax increases over time.

There are also other immune system effects from this shitty vaccine - negative one - related to the spike protein activity .. and from short ciruiting the natural immunity process - and stuff we don't know.

 

Rrriighhhhtt

Look, I'm an old man with diabetes and obestiy and I don't know what, even mild Covid would kill me dead

And it don't think Bill Gates WANTS my sort in his zombie army

So I want the booster and whatever else they get. Bring it right here boys.

 

For sure .. for those who have comorbidities - Obese -Pneumonia susceptible -- the risk of harm from covid outweighs that from the vax.

Still though .. there are other treatments proving to work near as well - and this is a game changer - as the risk of harm from the vax far outweighs that from the treatments. Treatments that much of the rest of the world used - with far better results than we have achieved.

India being a prime example -- everyone got a kit - vitimins - other stuff - and ivermectin -- they have a death rate 7 times lower than the US . with over 60% testing positive for antibodies = been exposed..

 

According to CDC the efficiency against Delta variant is around 50%.
That is the evidence is that vaccine is absolutely useless to prevent transmission
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccine-effectiveness

The whole push for vaccination is about establishing totalitarian rule in Western societies.

 

Where does it say 50%?

 

It looks like 50% to me according to National Healthcare Safety Network .

 

But aren't there still lots dying India?

 

Damn.

What happened on May 20?

 

Obviously the crest of the Delta variant. More interesting is what happened since that peak.

 

420,000 - and over 60% have antibodies - so it is getting close to having moved through the population.

US by comparison 700,000 - This works out to 2100 per million in the US .. vs ~300/ million in india US deaths are 700% higher .. and we are hopefully 60% of the population had it.

The vax is sheit .. not a vaccine .. is a treatment -- probably working about as well as the others.. Should have been giving the people the treatment in the beginning when was no vax .. but -- no no they said .. will wait for vax - which cost many many lives -- to this day they are still shunning treatment ... except magically until the company who invented ivermectin came up with one Merck - a clone of ivermectin - but one they can patent and so charge a whole lot more.. don't want to have to compete with the "Generic Ivermectin" at pennies a pill.

This just gets worse by the day... disgusting.