Red states/areas getting more Covid-19 deaths than blue states/areas

You are still missing the point by a mile, and it speaks volumes about you, not me. This thread is not about me. It is also not about you. You get very personal with people and do your best to point out what you think is hypocritical about them instead of concentrating on the topic at hand.

I asked you FIVE times now to support your claim that the CDC is not being honest about death numbers vs. the vaccinated or the unvaccinated. Every time you have deflected or attacked. That's not debate.

You provide links from hard right sources while claiming that anyone who disagrees with you only quotes left wing sources. That's not debate.

When confronted with your behavior, you claim that people are simply not reading the links, but that is not true. I read the links. They do not back up what you claim, not at all.

I will give you one final chance to back up your insidious claim. If you cannot, then you go permanently on ignore, because life is too short for trolls or trolling activity.

So, where is your EXACT data to back up your claim? I will remind that a number of members have been following and are surely watching this exchange.

 

Those "resurgences" are neither numerically, percentually nor statistically even close to the resurgence in the USA or Eastern Europe, and I can back up my claim with a recorded data stream that goes back almost 20 months in some, but not all, cases.

Again, when people speak untruths, as you have done, I WILL call them out.

 

It's always red v blue for you isn't it.

 

It's relevant when contrasting the different habits and their effect on COVID transmission, severity, and death rates. While certainly not universal and with many exceptions even on this forum, it is undeniable that there are more on the right who refuse to vaccinate and refuse to see the disease as a serious issue than there are on the left. That's just the way it is. If the vaccine and the virus had never been politicized and people had never had to frame it and their views about the virus as belonging to a certain side, this may not be the case. But unluckily for us, the virus hit during an election year with an immature president and immature opposition party and so it all got wrapped up in politics.

 

Do you acknowledge that Trump is pro-vaccine?

 

I acknowledge that Trump probably has no issue with the vaccine in private but in public he hedges because he doesn't want to offend his supporters who aren't. He needs their adulation and devotion more than he needs them to be healthy.

 

His supporters who aren't what?

 

LOL Are you not even able to follow your own question?

 

They booed him at suggesting vaccination.

 

What does that answer have to do with my question?

 

So Trump is pro-vaccine!

 

Do you ask questions for attention?

You "Do you acknowledge that Trump is pro-vaccine?"
Junkieturtle "because he doesn't want to offend his supporters who aren't."
You "His supporters who aren't what?"

LOL what do you think the aren't refers to in response to your question?

 

It makes no sense, because the FACT is, that Trump has PUBLICALLY expressed his support for vaccines!

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 442 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through November 15, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 9,810 reports of death (0.0022%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine.

 

I have posted a link from the CDC itself which will not tell us the number of people actually suffering serious adverse reactions from the vaccines. Neither the CDC, the FDA, the Biden administration, or the MSM have told us the number of people suffering from serious adverse reactions from the vaccines. The CDC is not far right. Show me the numbers and don't give me any formulas or percentages, actual numbers. They won't provide Americans with the actual numbers because they don't want the public to know because it would hurt their vaccination drive. It is all swept under the rug to push the agenda they want to push.

We've got two countries in Europe who will not approve the Moderna vaccine for small children after looking at the data and yet here in the US, they claim, "Oh it's very safe".

 

And your complaint about it being too difficult to get the numbers stems from what?
Since I've given you those numbers several times with the link and now you've found it and correctly produced what you are looking for.
Congrats.

 

Oops.

His supporters who aren't already vaccinated or interested in being vaccinated.

 

Oh, but the numbers are there.

So, ähm, bye bye....

 

Haha, good one.

 

I was talking about the stats for the serious adverse reactions to the virus. Those are the ones being hidden. And, why isn't the government notifying people that almost 10,000 people in the US alone, not counting the world as a whole, have died from the vaccines? Why isn't that on the 6:30 news or in the headlines of the NYT and Wapo? Why don't we hear Walenski and Biden warning us about the 10,000 who have died?

 

Then tell us what they are or is that why you are saying bye bye?

 

For a start anyone can report to VAERS and no side effects or deaths are verified as being caused by any drug. The use of VAERS is to look for statistically common side effects which can then be further investigated. 10,000 people have not died from being given the vaccine

 

LOL. You guys are too funny. I do want to thank you, however, because you just helped me prove to dairyair how the left really think and that they dispute the death totals on the CDC's very own website. He seems to think the CDC has been upfront about this but they have not because they deny and hide everything to spew their misinformation and propaganda.

 

Are you under the impression that Trump has not expressed publicly his support for the vaccine?

 

Who does the CDC report to? US govt, do they not?

Adverse reactions are also given at least the raw numbers. For several reactions.

Why isn't it on the 6:30 news, ask the news stations. Maybe because it happens 1X/ week or month?
What do you want? Today no vaccinated person had a adverse reaction to the vaccine?

Why isn't fox tv or OAN or news maxx giving you your numbers daily?