Red states/areas getting more Covid-19 deaths than blue states/areas

Obviously YOU don't know what the popular vote is... the one that actually elects presidents, anyhow...

 

yep, that is what I would do, regardless if Trump or Biden had won - I would trust the science

 

nope, that is the electoral college vote, not the popular vote, figured you knew that

 

But you didn't trust the science. You waited a couple of months to see how it all went, after the experts and the science had already told you it was safe. You didn't believe them until you saw for yourself.

 

It is both, as they are who vote for President. You and I do not vote for President. Figured you knew that.

 

trust but verify

I would do the same under Trump as Biden, thus I guess destroying your argument, so you're trying to move the goalpost

 

nope, one is the popular vote, the other is the electoral college vote, not the same

 

But, you didn't trust the science and the experts until you made your own decision a couple of months later.

 

The only popular vote is the popular vote of the electoral college. That's how Presidents are elected regardless of the 2020 installation of the Biden Regime.

 

I trust the science, but as I said, trust but verify

 

what ever you want to believe, people can believe Jewish space lasers are causing forest fires too if they want too

 

Looks like Fake News. Blacks and Minorities are the most unvaccinated. Further, it's very difficult to correlate higher rates of vaccination with lower death rates.

Compare the 7 day average of daily deaths currently, with close to 80% of adults with either vaxxed or natural immunity compared to a year ago, when NO ONE was vaxxed.

10/12/21 - 1,617 deaths per day (7 day average)
10/12/20 - 697 deaths per day (7 day average)

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/#graph-deaths-daily

I'm vaxxed, in the hopes that will raises my odds of a mild case, but, I don't trust it to protect me from infection or to protect folks around me if I get infected. Given this dismal data, it's very unsettling that so many medical authorities are position fixed on MORE VAXX! MORE VAXX! MORE VAXX! Daily Deaths are up 2.3 times a year ago, that's a fact that needs to be wrestled with as we consider where to place resources and efforts.

Daily deaths a year ago today went from 697/day to 3,537 by mid Jan. If we have another surge like that this year, starting our current, much higher death rate, this is going to be a much deadlier winter.

I don't see any real value in your theatrical hand wringing over Trump supporters, and it seems more like opportunistic othering, than any comment of real value.

Current State of Affairs:

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The Southern Trump States, which also have high concentrations of unvaccinated Blacks have lower infection rates than the states around them, that's obvious.

I think you would be better served with a little more intellectual tentativeness, it looks to me like you have a lot more to learn than what you know.

 

Regulator Reviewing Reports Of "Rare" And Serious Condition Linked To Moderna Vaccine

“At this stage, it is not yet clear whether there is a causal association between vaccination and the reports of capillary leak syndrome,”

MASSIVE MEDICAL EXPERIMENT:

"Europe’s drug regulator on Thursday confirmed it is investigating reports of a blood condition in recipients of Moderna’s mRNA COVID-19 vaccine. The European Medicines Agency (EMA), is reviewing cases of capillary leak syndrome, considered a “very rare disorder,” after they were reported in the EMA’s EudraVigilance database.

“At this stage, it is not yet clear whether there is a causal association between vaccination and the reports of capillary leak syndrome,” the EMA wrote on Thursday, adding that “these reports point to a safety signal … information on new, or changes in, adverse events that may potentially be associated with a medicine or vaccine and that warrant further investigation.”

"multisystem inflammatory syndrome" Inflammation has consistently been a concern, but any vaxx hesitation by folks who deal with persistent inflammation gets them immediately subjected to hate from the Left. Such a vicious knee jerk reaction from the haters, it's small wonder that the voters are giving them the back of the hand.

 

Why are you comparing death rates at a peak with death rates a year ago when it was at a trough?

Then we have from the same source as your Twitter post, 12 times as many unvaccinated died than vaccinated in the last 7 days

Your post is nothing to do with the OP. Where in your post is there any mention of counties that voted over 60% for Trump or Biden. The 60% cutoff for each county is nothing to do with per 100,000 rate

 

In other words, don't trust the science until you find out for yourself.

 

To see our annual "progress". That's how you double check predictions, you weigh them against the evidence. Well, the evidence is clear. Over the last year, going from ZERO vaxxed to nearly 80% of adults with at least some sort of immunity has not cut death rates at all.

10/14/20 - Trump President, ZERO vaxxed. 7 day average of daily deaths: 699 day
10/14/21 - Biden President, Millions vaxxed. 7 day average of daily deaths: 1,561 day

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/#graph-deaths-daily

That's double the death rate over a year ago. I'm fully vaxxed, and I'm also fully unimpressed with the results. Now I certainly hope that vaxxed and natural immunity suppresses this years death surge compared to last, but, it hasn't yet.

Sure it does. It implies, though never states that Republicans are dying at massively higher rates than other Demographics, but once again, go to the facts. Republicans, as a party Demographic, are the ONLY demographic to increase over the COVID surge.

GOP has increased by 8% since June 1.
Dems have decreased by 13% since June 1.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx

Always double check the facts. If you mindlessly swallow crap, the fake news is more than willing to shovel it down your throat as are the Demented Biden's Executive Branch Clowns:

CDC Admits No Record Of Naturally Immune Transmitting COVID-19

“CDC should be transparent with data on natural immunity. Instead we get glimpses from FOIA requests like this one...”

It appears that Vaxx is Big Business and there are few opportunities for graft from natural immunity. So the parade of fast talking bullshit continues from these clowns and is believed by the fools that are dumb enough not to double check them.

Here was the request made of this PUBLIC TAX PAYER Funded Organization, and of course these duplicitous bastards first played "hide the ball" and demanded a FOIA request, so, they played their game and filed one.

Guess how many examples of that these secretive sold out clowns were able to come up with? NOT A ONE.

Renowned medical expert, "Johns Hopkins Dr. Marty Makary, who said it underlined how little data the agency has released concerning the recovered."

There are few opportunities for graft with transparency, so little interest from these jokers.

Time for change, then time to clean house on these entrenched bureaucrats. We need every position in these organizations staffed with folks who understand that they work for We The People, not for grift and graft for themselves and their political associates.

 

trust but verify - there always has to be early adopters

 

The science and principles behind virology and immunology are stabile, but the science adapts as the virus mutates.

It's kind of like saying that the age of 50 is the new 30.

I do however agree with you that people should read and explore for themselves, which is why anti-vaxx propaganda does nothing more than to sabotage our senses.

 

I am actually uncomfortable with the title to this thread specifically because I have worked hard to keep politics as far away from my Covid-19 statistics thread, which btw is the largest and most fact filled thread that this forum has ever experienced, bar-none. It is also the most visited thread of all time on thids forum:

Tracking the COVID-19-Virus in Germany, the USA, Italy and other hot spots in the world | PoliticalForum.com - Forum for US and Intl Politics

That is FACT.

And in fact, the weekly concise analysis from just about one hour ago surely contains some info that everyone here could use:

Tracking the COVID-19-Virus in Germany, the USA, Italy and other hot spots in the world | Page 553 | PoliticalForum.com - Forum for US and Intl Politics

That being said, if the rates are higher in states of counties of the USA that some call "red", then part of the problem is lies with the willingness of the people there to injest false propaganda about Covid-19 precautions, including getting vaccinated.

Remember, folks, we are all in this together, whether or not we agree with each other or like or hate each other. The virus does not distinguish between race, religion, sexuality or ideology. It seeks hosts to invade. I quite literally wrote that in the OP to my huge thread mid-March of 2020, 1 3/4 years ago....

 

So, you're saying that laypeople such as yourself shouldn't really trust the science and should verify what the experts say, using your own criteria for verification because the experts and the science can't be trusted by itself so verification is necessary.

 

But the pro-vax propaganda does the very same thing. The government, the FDA, the CDC, and the lefty media are all committing their very own propaganda acts to push up the vaccination rate. They will not tell us how many people have died from the vaccine. They will not tell us how many have had serious reactions to the vaccines (they disguise these in complicated formulas where they seem to forget to calculate the equation out). They constantly hype up the stories of the unvaccinated who die while at the same time purposely quashing the stories of those who have died from the vaccines or have had very serious reactions to the vaccines. They refuse to tell us the truth that the vaccines do not stop the spread of the virus. They refuse to tell us that the types of masks that most people wear are only 10% effective. As the vaccination rate goes up and up and up and cases go up and up and up they continue blaming the unvaccinated for the rise in numbers, even during these times where vaccination rates are going up. But, the more cases rise and surge and the less unvaccinated people there are, they continue blaming rising cases on the unvaccinated. They tell us that 800,000 people in the US have died from the virus but instead of telling us how many people have died from the vaccines or have had serious adverse reactions to the vaccines, they give us some complicated formula and say, "Oh it's just a very small number". What are the numbers? Why won't they tell us the truth? Because if they told us the truth it would hurt their vaccination drive and they can't have that. So, throw out the lefty misinformation and propaganda.

There was an incident with ABC in Detroit where the local news outlet posted on Facebook, asking for horror stories about the unvaccinated to publish and they were overwhelmed with horror stories about the vaccines instead and the posts mysteriously vanished quickly. Just goes to show the bias in the reporting. Why doesn't the MSM do a segment on horror stories about the vaccine? Because that is not the agenda they are trying to push.

About a year ago there was news about a mother in Florida who had forced her daughter to take Hydroxychloroquine and the daughter died from it. That made the news. But, on the very same day, there was a scientific study published which showed benefits to taking Hydrox. Guess which story was reported all over the country and which story didn't get reported at all? The left are just as guilty as the right when it comes to misinformation and propaganda.

 

No, you are just plain wrong about how Presidents are elected.

 

nope, just telling you what I did, others can be an early adopter if they wish

 

you seem to be thinking of someone else, as everything I said was fact

 

You don't even know what a fact is (since you seem to think that it means "universal truth") let alone how elections work.