I am now convinced that Trump's actions on January 6th were criminal

The usual left wing cover for Obama's attempt to convert every branch of the government into some sort left wing proxy.

 

The president is the commander in chief of the DC National Guard, the secretary of defense and the DC guardsmen cannot deploy the National Guard without the president's approval. According to the Chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff, it was the vice president who gave this order on Jan 6th, and not the president. According to testimony from White House staff, the president was reluctant to give the order, and invoking the 25th was discussed with the vice president and the White House staff in response, but the vice president rejected the notion

 

For those interested in the actual legal term it is posse comitatus.

 

It is done AFTER the local authorities make the request. The request for such federal law enforcement must be made by local authorities and it goes up the chain to the SecArmy who issues the order. The CJCS has no authority to order ANY troops ANYWHERE. He has no COMMAND AUTHORITY. And the VP can't order anyone to do anything. If they did do was was claimed Milley needs to arrested and put in leg irons and hauled off to Leavenworth to await courts-martial and then a term for probably the rest of his life.

The Trump administration had been urging the local officials for WEEKS to have beefed up security and the IG found there was no delay and the DOD responded to those after it had started request properly. Even the Capital Police had been requesting for days to have those additional forces there on the grounds but the higher officials denied it. THAT is what needs to be investigated.

 

That is not the expected outcome.
But Bill Barr said it best about the lie, the 2020 election being stolen is total Bull ****.

 

Really?

 

Just another case of their 'fake news'. It's all they have.

 

Yes, Guilty or innocent isn't what's on the table.
Just an investigation to see if the justice dept may want to take a look.

 

With the goal of convincing the American people that Trump is guilty. If the purpose was "Just an investigation to see if the justice dept may want to take a look.", what was the purpose of the dog and pony show on national TV?

 

They can't convince anyone of anything.
All they can do is present evidence and let each person decide for themselves.

 

But because the investigation was one sided, they are only presenting one biased side.

But what happened to "Just an investigation to see if the justice dept may want to take a look."?

 

No it's not.
Bill Barr video is not on the side of the dems. He was a trump hand picked AG. Ivanka checked out, she is not on the side of the dems.

the trump crowd has had 1.5 yrs to present evidence of a stolen election has has produced nothing that is worth while. Because it's a lie that the election was stolen.

 

Yes, as I posted earlier, the DC police made the request around 2pm for the National Guard to be sent in, but they didn't get the help they needed till almost 4 hours later. Whether or not you believe the VP was able to give the order is fine, but those are what the testimonies say occurred. If the testimonies that the president refused to send the National Guard in are false, then I would agree that there was no conduct from the president that I would consider to be criminal. However, if it is true that the president was reluctant to give the order, and that the vice president was the one who stepped in to give the order, then I absolutely do believe that the president's conduct was criminal

 

Bill Barr said he tried to stop Trump. Ivanka said she agreed with Barr.

The investigation is not about whether the election was stolen. It is about January 6th and what lead up to January 6th. Primarily whether Trump is responsible for January 6th. That is why they call it the January 6th Investigation.

 

Also, regardless of what witnesses they bring in, the witnesses are not there all the time. They have not heard all the testimony. Since the person doing the questioning is anti-Trump, they ask questions which will get the answers which are anti-Trump.. The witness does not know what other information he might possess which might be helpful to the pro-Trump side and there is no friendly interrogator to ask the right questions.

 

trump has the opportunity to testify to explain his actions or lack of actions.
He can clear himself if he chooses.

If it wasn't for the belief of a stolen election, Jan 6 never happens.

Barr tried to stop him from what? Egging on a riot at the Capitol? And he failed, that pretty much implicates trump right there.

 

Today's committee hearing is wrapping up. Last week they showed that the Attack on OUR Capitol was at Donald Judas tRump's bequest, because they believed his lie that the election was stolen.

Today they presented many witness that testified that there was NO BASIS IN FACT that tRump won the election or that the election was stolen. And, that Benedict Donald was told by many people, multiple times and ways that he lost and there was no evidence to the contrary. They also showed that tRump kept the lie alive so that he could defraud his base to support legal challenges to the election that never happened; instead the money went to tRumps pockets and advisors.

IMHO tRump is a proven Conman that lied to his supporters to try to remain in office and when that failed he kept the Stolen Election lie alive to defraud the people that believe in him.

 

Well DUH!!! The request has to then get all the sign offs and members of the NG called and they have to stop what they are doing then muster at their armory dress and arm themsleves and prepare their equipment and then drive to where they are going. As I have already posted the OIG found no delay and that the DoD reponsed appropriately. The request should have been approved days earlier not at the height of the riot.

What do you mean whether or not I believe? There is only ONE Commander in Chief and even he cannot on his own order troops into domestic law enforcement. And Milley has NO command authority. Both would have been acting illegally and unconstitutionally had they ordered military forces anywhere. Again cite me in the Constitution or statutorily where they have such authority.

He doesn't give the order. The VP has no such authority.

 

He would only be questioned by hostile interrogators. No fair trial in the US is conducted that way.

 

He is no doubt a conman.
And they is why he holds such a cult like following.
I never could understand how people get brainwashed to cult like beliefs.

 

You conveniently dodged this question in the post you responded to and cut it out of your response. Why?

 

Because it had nothing to do with the point I was making.

 

Quote Trump telling anyone to engage in violence, and no telling your supporters to fight for their causes is not as I can cite Dem after Dem doing the same, to break into the Capital or do anything illegal.

 

No formal date I don't think. Unofficially I suppose it would be 1/6 when the next prez is certified. Which is why the mob was assembled and sent to the Capital on 1/6.

 

There's actually no clear cut legal limitations on the VP's executive powers as one of the heads of the National Security Commission. The vice president makes executive decisions on a regular basis as one of the president's delegates. The vice president basically has the same executive powers as the president, but under the president's discretion. That being said, there are no defined legal penalties for if he does decide to act outside of the president's discretion, it's basically the same situation as the president, where he would need to be impeached or removed from office to face legal penalties. It's not really a standard practice for a vice president to act on his own in that manner, but it's definitely not impossible. It's a misuse of his position as vice president to act on his own, but given the circumstances of the testimonies, it is quite feasible that it played out like that, but again that's a matter of whether or not you believe the testimonies are true. If you don't believe them, that's fine.. but if the testimonies are true, I do believe it is quite apparent that the president's conduct was criminal

And again, we're not talking about a unilateral order to deploy the National Guard, that was never what was being implied, but the president is the commander in chief of the DC National Guard, and as such, his approval is needed in order to deploy the DC National Guard. There was a 4 hour delay from when the National Guard was first requested, from the time they were deployed. According to testimony it was the vice president who ended up giving this order, because the president was reluctant to give the order

FYI, it was only 1 hour from the time the order was given, to the time that they were deployed. It does not take 4 hours to deploy the National Guard. The 4 hour delay was mostly the result of the order not being given.