At least 9 dead in a mass shooting in Monterey Park, California

The headline: At least 9 dead in a mass shooting in Monterey Park, California

The link: Live updates: At least 9 dead in a mass shooting in Monterey Park, California (cnn.com)

The lede: "At least nine people were killed in a mass shooting in Monterey Park, California, according to the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department.

"The shooting incident occurred late Saturday night."

The comment: Guns in the news.

Again.

And once again our present laws, their levels of enforcement, and our social programs were unable to avert this tragedy.

The rate of deaths from gunshot in the United States of America, based upon data from 2020*, averages one every 12-13 minutes around the clock.

Guns in the news.

Again.

Regards, stay safe 'n well . . . 'n un-shot.

*Ref: Gun deaths in the U.S.: 10 key questions answered | Pew Research Center

 

California huh...so much for all those gun laws working....

 

Hi, Kal'Stang.

The same holds true, as I noted in the OP, for the 120 or so deaths by gunshot which occur, on average and based on the referenced data, every day.

Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n un-shot.

 

That sure is a round about way of saying "Just another day in the hood."

 

Hi, SiNNiK.

Unfortunately, that's true. And it will remain true until enough of my fellow Americans feel it's something that should be addressed in a significant manner.

Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n un-shot.

 

Hello Torus,

I think that the point that @Kal'Stang was making is that California has some of the strictest gun laws in the country so if stricter gun laws were the solution to America's homicide problem, something like this should not happen in California.

My position remains the same.
I feel like attempting to ban or further restrict firearms is a wasteful diversion from what really needs to be done and that is establishing a more affordable and accessible mental health care system in America.

All the time and energy spent trying to either protect or eviscerate the 2nd Amendment is wasted when our cloistered politicians haggle over magazine capacities and similar feel-good-do-nothing gun laws when the real solutions will be neither cheap nor easy.

It is only when Americans demand better detection and treatment methods for the mentally disturbed and emotionally troubled that we can expect any lowering of our currently unacceptable homicide rate.

Thanks,

 

Hi, Grau.

This poor old country mouse has difficulty understanding how strict gun laws in a state can be effective if the state's borders are not strictly controlled. Isn't there a lot of political brouhaha going on about our borders with other nations at the present time?

That said, I agree that reviewing our existing social programs and attempting to make them more effective is one possible answer to reducing the level of deaths by gunshot in the United States of America.

Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n un-shot.

 

Local and state strict gun laws are absolutely meaningless when someone can just drive across city or state borders and load up on as much ARs and ammo as they like. The US has 4% of the world's population, but 46% of the world's forearms in civilian hands. Winning. No wonder that it is so easy for any nut to get hold of an arsenal.

This is just another day of the typical gun carnage in the good old USA. Thoughts and prayers, right? And then, business goes on as usual, until the next mass shooting. When will it be, tomorrow? Next week? Certainly before a couple of months. It could be your family that is affected next time, you know? What will you say then? Would you still support the US gun culture?

Meanwhile, the rest of the civilized world shakes their heads.

 

So as far as you know, crossing state lines to purchase firearms is legal?

 

Isn’t it tragic so many lost their lives celebrating lunar new year.
RIP.

 

Re:

There are already laws against doing exactly what you described so you're essentially admitting that gun laws don't work.

Thanks for proving my point.

 

Hello Torus,

I know that you have to be a Virginia resident to buy a firearm in VA and I believe that all states require that you be a resident of that state to buy a gun.

In other words, someone from California can't drive to Virginia and "...load up on as much ARs and ammo as they like."

It's also been my experience that clerks at gun stores can refuse to sell you a gun if they have the slightest suspicion that you may be unfit to own it. I've witnessed two times when a would-be gun owner was denied service.

While a determined individual can find and buy just about anything they want if they have the money, buying a firearm in the US is not as easy as it's made out to be.

Thanks,

 

How many times does "Disarm the ghettos, and the illegal thugs that control them" be said? Maybe it would be time better spent demanding Law Enforcement lock down the criminal DNC strongholds ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

So the details of another newsworthy shooting is shunted aside for a diatribe against the 2nd Amendment. Any idea about the perps and their motives or is that far less interesting than guns?

 

After reading this uninformed post I know I SMH!

 

So, what should we do? Ban guns? And when that happens, guns will be trotted across our open borders and law abiding citizens will no longer have any means of self defense.

 

Thugs with guns


Legal folks with guns

 

Would you recommend building a wall around California?

 

If strict gun laws worked these things wouldn’t happen at all.

 

Rational humanitarian governments would urge more of the public to carry guns whenever violent crime is a serious concern.

More Guns = Less Crime

 

in the last thirty years, the average death toll from Mass shootings" in california is about 5 a year. California gun laws are what the gun banners see as among the best.

I want you to answer this--what the shooter did means two possible outcomes

1) he dies in the commission of the act
2) he dies in prison

now if those two possible outcomes didn't deter him, tell me why one of the gun bans or gun control laws you constantly insinuate you want, would have stopped him

 

federal rules are this

a non licensed individual (ie someone without a federal firearms dealers license ) cannot buy a handgun across state lines from any entity

a non licensed individual cannot buy ANY TYPE of firearms across state lines from another unlicensed individual (ie interstate private sales are banned by federal law)

a non licensed individual may buy a long arm from a licensed entity from an ADJACENT state if the state laws allow it. since we don't know what sort of firearm was used and where it was obtained, it is hard to speculate what laws failed to work (other than the ones that ban mass murder, felonious assault, attempted murder, inducing mass panic etc)

 

They have a description of the shooter that's he's a Male and THAT'S IT! , no other details have been released, which basically tells you all you need about the Shooter decription and who to look for. Sounds like another example of Asian Hatred. President Biden promised to bring the country together, but under his leadership there seems to be more mass shootings than ever. California has some of the strongest gun laws in the country, but this still happened, maybe Gun control should start with prosecuting criminals to the furthest extent of the law instead of catch and release. Democrats have Blood on their hands with this one, unfortunately had a good guy with a gun been at this party, deaths could have been prevented.

 

He's actually been described as a "male Asian".

Here's where political correctness takes over.

What is an "Asian"?

I say Oriental, even though it's horribly un-PC.

Know why?

Because Asian (from Asia) can mean Indian, Pakistani, Saudi Arabian, or anyone else from Asia.

Call them Orientals and everyone knows what you're talking about.

 

Oriental eliminates a lot of confusion and I can’t see how it’s offensive to anyone.