Trans Minors Seeking Puberty Blockers, Sex Changes ‘Protected from Parents’ Under New Law

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  1. dairyair

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    Nope. You made that up.
     
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    Maybe you should read the law instead of faking an opinion.
    If I was a LWger I would be embarrassed as well.
    There are only a few hundred media sites carrying the story. lol
    Washington bill to allow medical transgender interventions on minors without parental consent
    https://nypost.com/2023/04/17/washi...rventions-on-minors-without-parental-consent/
    Transgender minors protected from estranged parents under Washington law
    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politi...d-from-estranged-parents-under-washington-law
    Washington state House passes bill to allow hiding minors’ gender transitions from parents
    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/...hiding-minors-gender-transitions-from-parents
     
  3. dairyair

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    I did.
    Children who ran away from home.
    Probably means the kids felt unwelcome.
     
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    The law allows children to get gender affirming surgeries without parental consent and will keep them away from the parents while getting their surgery.
     
  5. dairyair

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    Kids ran away from home. Parents didn't want them if they ran away from home.
    Loving parents don't make their kids feel so bad, they run away from home.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are far from correct. There is zero medical benefit to removing healthy parts. It is for appearance only. You can justify it a million ways and I will support anyone who is old enough and can afford unnecessary cosmetic surgery. Its your body. Keep the drugs and scalpel away from children.
     
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    True. I am just a random buy on the internet and would never impose my beliefs on others. Especially when it comes to causing irreversible damage.

    Medical professionals: Did you know that medical errors are the 3rd leading causing of death in the US?
    Legal guardians: Millions of children are abused by these "legal guardians".

    While you are placing a high value on titles, I feel that the childs life and health are far more important.

    What is wrong with telling children that they are perfect just the way they are?
     
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    You have every right to have feelings. But feelings are only yours, not the feelings of the kids, the professionals, or the guardians.

    What you don't have a right is to be the medical professional and legal guardian to every kid in the country.

    Far more value and better life outcome, comes from the medical professional and legal guardians than those that are not so good.

    Nothing wrong with telling them that, but that isn't going to solve an issue.
    What is wrong with telling them they will be perfect no matter the choice they and all involved agree on as the care going forward?

    I place more values on titles, although, they are not just titles, they are actual professionals, than on random people who can not know every situation of ever kid in the country.
     
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    My feelings will not end up permanently affecting someone for the rest of their live based on how they felt as a teen. Turning children into labs rats for social experimentation is far from acceptable.

    Good intentions will not undue the damage this causes.
     
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    They will if your feelings won't let the professionals of each person involved do their jobs and the person or kid commits suicide. Suicide can't be undone either.

    Which is a high probability for those who are confused about their brain identity to their physical ananotmy.

    Your calling children lab rats speaks volumes for you concern for children.
     
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    Suicide is not exclusive to transgenders. Depression is on the rise in spite of record consumption of antidepressants. Why do you think these" medical professionals" are making things worse?
     
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    Deflection noted.
    Have a good day.
     
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    How is pointing out the fact that depression is on the rise in spite of these "medical professionals" doing their job, a deflection? Do you have long term data on children receiving drugs and surgery to treat gender dysphoria?
     
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    There were no facts. Just an opinion.
     
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    I wasn't arguing about teens in general.

    This is about trans kids and suicide vs not getting the help they need due to your feelings they should not get the help they need. But the help you feel they need.
    You are not the expert. And you don't understand each and every kids issues in the USA.
     
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    I used data from "the experts". Would you say that actual results are important?
     
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    But not about transgenders. And those not able to get help vs those getting the help they need.

    What happens in general to teens doesn't matter that much to trans.
     
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    The facts I posted challenge your "leave it to the medical professionals" being in the best interest of the child. Results say otherwise.

    Would you say you are wiser and more capable of making long term decisions now compared to when you were 15-17?
     
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    You still don't get it.
    The teen isn't making the decision.
    The medical profession and their legal guardian are. With the consultation and approval of the child involved.
     
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    Thats what I have been saying all along. The teen isn't making the decision, but takes on 100% of the risk.

    Would you say you are wiser and more capable of making long term decisions now compared to when you were 15-17?
     
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    The teen will only do so if that's what they're brain is wired as.
    Trans brains are wired to the opposite gender.
     
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    You're talking about a state where parents actively push their children to being non-binary, trans, gender fluid, etc. It's something to brag about to the other liberal parents.

    If I'm a Republican, I'm taking my kids and leaving. I'll write a letter to the state government from wherever I'm living and dare the them to come try to take my children, they won't get the kids or my tax dollars.
     
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    It would appear as though you believe you can see inside their minds. The problem with using your sweeping generalization to justify irreversible surgery is that the 25-30 year old with the missing body parts has to live the rest of their lives based on the beliefs of others and who they were as a teen.

    I noticed you are avoiding my question:

    Would you say you are wiser and more capable of making long term decisions now compared to when you were 15-17?
     
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    You have a bad appearance.

    I answered that question several posts ago. I agreed the brain isn't fully developed until 25 yrs old or so. No need to keep repeating.

    Anyone can do a little research on the brain functions of humans. And there's even a section and a study(s) on transgender brain wave activity.
     
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